Israel-Hamas War 2023

[OttoVonBismarck]

Not sure what that long stream of consciousness Josq posted was, but I remain highly skeptical Putin was meaningfully involved in any of this. Iran, yes.

And while there is a risk of escalation to involve Hezbollah, it is another jump from that to directly involving Iran--one that Iran could very likely be backed down from with a strong warning from the West. Again, not certain--the risk of this ballooning into a large general war is not zero. That means it is worth talking about and worrying about, but the trajectory for that doesn't seem to be there to me.

[Josquius]

"World War 2 only became that in late 1941. When Japan attacked America, and Germany declared war on the United States"

Ah yes, WW1 1917-1918.

Yeah that bit was bizare for sure
Never heard that. Far more common is knocking back the start date for the Japanese invasion of China.

Or maybe he just means what it was known As at the time? We now know it was ww2 in 1939 but did they?

[Sheilbh]

You mean that the senior leaders are about to get the martyrdom they always preached about and suddenly they have cold feet?

Israel's been assasinating senior Hamas leaders for many years. I think that's a professional risk they accept.

Agree on Putin. I think it could opportunistically get Hezbollah involved and - possibly - inspire some form of intifada on the West Bank. Which would possibly be challenging enough for the IDF. But as you say I doubt it'll extend to other states.

[PJL]

My biggest concern re Putin / Russia is that they could use the distraction in Israel to pull a stunt against Ukraine / Moldova.

[Razgovory]

Israel isn't going to destroy Hamas.  Hamas will live on the hearts of every child that believe Jews are descended from pigs and apes.

[Tamas]

Just very recently Putin was busy groveling to North Korea for artillery shells. He had nothing to do with this.

[FunkMonk]

Israel isn't going to destroy Hamas.  Hamas will live on the hearts of every child that believe Jews are descended from pigs and apes.

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[Tamas]

Israel isn't going to destroy Hamas.  Hamas will live on the hearts of every child that believe Jews are descended from pigs and apes.

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Raz and Josq were frenzying each other into more and more radical stances on either end of this earlier. It's the wind-down of that.

[The Brain]

He missed an in.

[FunkMonk]

I see. Not much of a wind-down considering how insane a take it is, though. Jesus Christ.

[Hamilcar]

Israel isn't going to destroy Hamas.  Hamas will live on the hearts of every child that believe Jews are descended from pigs and apes.

Go fuck yourself.

[grumbler]

"World War 2 only became that in late 1941. When Japan attacked America, and Germany declared war on the United States"

Ah yes, WW1 1917-1918.

    Uh, no.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Point of order Jews are descended from apes? (Or technically are part of the Great Ape family)

[grumbler]

"World War 2 only became that in late 1941. When Japan attacked America, and Germany declared war on the United States"

Ah yes, WW1 1917-1918.

Yeah that bit was bizare for sure
Never heard that. Far more common is knocking back the start date for the Japanese invasion of China.

Or maybe he just means what it was known As at the time? We now know it was ww2 in 1939 but did they?

The point being made was that it was not a "world war" by most standards until it spread to the Pacific.  Before that the war in Europe and the war in East Asia were separate.

[Legbiter]

You mean that the senior leaders are about to get the martyrdom they always preached about and suddenly they have cold feet?

Should be easy for the senior Hamas leadership to make these sort of pronouncements on Al Jazeera. All they have to do is nip across the street in Doha.  They're a pet project of Quatar.