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Is the Obama Administration Over?

Started by Faeelin, July 24, 2009, 08:04:42 AM

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FunkMonk

Quote from: Fate on July 24, 2009, 08:21:23 AM
Let's look at one of Biden's pet theories in hindsight. Would Iraq be a better place today if it were partitioned into three regions?
Invade one Iraq, get three absolutely free! :w00t:
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alfred russel

Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2009, 08:31:37 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 24, 2009, 08:21:47 AM
I don't see how democrats will be able to look voters in the eye if nothing passes.

Never stopped them in the past!


What will their campaign be in 2010? "Give us bigger supermajorities and we will deliver change this time--we promise!"
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saskganesh

talk about short attention spans. look at this thread.

if he is really concerned about a 55% poll rating, he'll either manufacture a crisis or a feel good event, and his approval will climb back up.

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Fate

Quote from: alfred russel on July 24, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2009, 08:31:37 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 24, 2009, 08:21:47 AM
I don't see how democrats will be able to look voters in the eye if nothing passes.

Never stopped them in the past!


What will their campaign be in 2010? "Give us bigger supermajorities and we will deliver change this time--we promise!"
"We're less crazy than the Southern, conservative fringe that still controls the GOP."

saskganesh

Quote from: alfred russel on July 24, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2009, 08:31:37 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 24, 2009, 08:21:47 AM
I don't see how democrats will be able to look voters in the eye if nothing passes.

Never stopped them in the past!


What will their campaign be in 2010? "Give us bigger supermajorities and we will deliver change this time--we promise!"

this is more interesting. reps will run on their record(s) whether it's Obama record (by 2010) or their own.
humans were created in their own image

Savonarola

Quote from: alfred russel on July 24, 2009, 08:38:48 AM


What will their campaign be in 2010? "Give us bigger supermajorities and we will deliver change this time--we promise!"

:lol:

Health care is such a contentious issue that no matter what congress does it's bound to upset a lot of people.  I expect that doing nothing would cost Democrats seats, but passing a comprehensive health care reform package would cost them seats as well.
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DontSayBanana

Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 08:20:00 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 24, 2009, 08:19:21 AM
Democracy is inherently unsound.
I agree, and this one is at the end of its rope.  :cool:

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KRonn

The Obama admin has pushed massive spending, take over or bail outs of businesses, also massive spending. Now pushing health care, cap and trade, and more, all massive programs and changes. Too much and people are getting very wary, alarmed.

People want changes to health care and an energy policy, but are seem to be becoming quite wary of the massive scale of what's being proposed. Pres Obama has been rushing this stuff through to avoid the back lash, but he's getting a back lash on new proposals as people see the results of all the previous spending and programs. So yeah, now the Obama admin is in for much tougher times on some issues, especially on the larger spending issues.

Valmy

Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 08:20:00 AM
I agree, and this one is at the end of its rope.  :cool:

Don't worry.  An American Sulla will declare himself dictator for life and reform the Republic before retiring peacefully to his Manhattan penthouse.
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Valmy

Quote from: KRonn on July 24, 2009, 09:11:12 AM
The Obama admin has pushed massive spending, take over or bail outs of businesses, also massive spending. Now pushing health care, cap and trade, and more, all massive programs and changes. Too much and people are getting very wary, alarmed.

And for good reason.  My hope is that he is getting all the big spending projects out of the way early and will then shift it down as the presidency goes on.  That makes sense as a political strategy in a way.

So far I am a tad impressed, cautiously optimistic, at how he seems to be handling the Middle East issues even if he is pissing the Israelis off a bit.  But then maybe that is all Clinton's doing.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Fireblade

Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2009, 09:12:04 AM
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 08:20:00 AM
I agree, and this one is at the end of its rope.  :cool:

Don't worry.  An American Sulla will declare himself dictator for life and reform the Republic before retiring peacefully to his Manhattan penthouse.



:wub:

Savonarola

Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2009, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: KRonn on July 24, 2009, 09:11:12 AM
The Obama admin has pushed massive spending, take over or bail outs of businesses, also massive spending. Now pushing health care, cap and trade, and more, all massive programs and changes. Too much and people are getting very wary, alarmed.

And for good reason.  My hope is that he is getting all the big spending projects out of the way early and will then shift it down as the presidency goes on.  That makes sense as a political strategy in a way.

I think you're right.  As the economy improves the electorate is going to grow more suspicious of massive government spending.  So long as they're fearful that they'll lose their house or their jobs they'll agree to major spending projects. 
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock


Caliga

I knew you'd jump ship within six months or so.  :cool:
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Fireblade

Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 09:36:24 AM
I knew you'd jump ship within six months or so.  :cool:

He still has my support in 2012, because as much I don't want a musselman in the WHITE House, I'd rather see Barack HUSSEIN Obama in there than a goddamned Republican.  :mad: