News:

And we're back!

Main Menu

2022 Midterm Election MEGATHREAD

Started by Admiral Yi, November 05, 2022, 07:29:58 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on February 04, 2023, 03:17:58 AMLooks like Cory Mills is another of these small dick energy fellows  :hmm:


Because he's sending a small stubby and inert shaft?

Probably just coincidence  :ph34r:
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Richard Hakluyt


The Larch

QuoteHouse passes resolution denouncing socialism, vote splits Democrats

The House on Thursday approved a resolution denouncing socialism in a bipartisan vote that fractured the Democratic caucus.

The resolution overwhelmingly cleared the chamber in a 328-86-14 vote. The majority of Democrats — 109 of them — voted with all Republicans for the resolution, while 86 voted against it and 14 voted "present."

The measure, which runs three pages, says "socialist ideology necessitates a concentration of power that has time and time again collapsed into Communist regimes, totalitarian rule, and brutal dictatorships."

It argues that "many of the greatest crimes in history were committed by socialist ideologues" — mentioning Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Kim Jong Un, Daniel Ortega, Hugo Chavez and Nicolás Maduro — and it lists atrocities committed under socialist regimes.

"Congress denounces socialism in all its forms, and opposes the implementation of socialist policies in the United States of America," the resolution reads.

When introducing the measure, the office of Rep. María Elvira Salazar (R-Fla.) — a sponsor of the resolution — said passing it "would make a bold statement that the People's House unequivocally denounces this cruel and unjust ideology."

"It would also ensure the United States commits to never begin or normalize the implementation of socialist policies that inevitably lead to economic ruin and political authoritarianism," Salazar's office added in a statement.

Several Democrats who voted against the resolution expressed concerns regarding the future of Social Security and Medicare. They noted that Republicans on the Rules Committee rejected an amendment proposed by Rep. Mark Takano (D-Calif.) which sought to clarify that opposition to the implementation of socialist policies in the U.S. does not include federal programs like Medicare and Social Security.

Republicans are pushing for spending cuts to be linked to a debt ceiling increase and some have floated cuts to entitlement programs. Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), however, has said cuts to the two federal programs are "off the table."

"Here's what this is really about: More and more members on the other side of the aisle are calling for cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and many have referred to these programs as socialism throughout their existence," Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) said on the House floor during debate. "The other night in the Rules Committee, they showed their cards. Republicans refused an amendment to declare that Social Security and Medicare is not socialism."

"This resolution is little about intelligent discourse and everything to do about laying the groundwork to cut Social Security and Medicare," he added.

Additionally, some Democrats who voted against the measure have been described as democratic socialists. Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Cori Bush (D-Mo.) were all endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America in the 2022 cycle.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), who supported the resolution, condemned socialist autocrats during a speech on the House floor before taking aim U.S. leaders who attack democratic elections and other American programs.

"I rise to condemn all socialist autocrats who place power and wealth over their own citizens. Yet this resolution ignores some of their worst evils, then falls silent while American leaders mimic their cruel tactics," she said.

"Let's condemn socialist abuses, yes, but leaders on this very floor seek to overturn democratic elections, confiscate long-held rights and gut programs our families, veterans and service members need," she added.

Rep. Theresa Leger Fernandez (D-N.M.), who voted "present," denounced socialism on the House floor, but criticized House Republicans for spending time on that resolution and not other matters.

"i absolutely denounce the brutal and communist regimes of Castro, Maduro, Stalin and other dictators in the whereas clauses of this resolution. But sadly, instead of spending our precious moments in the People's House expanding opportunity for hard-working Americans, supporting ranchers, farmers, and rural communities, lowering health care costs and strengthening Social Security and Medicare, we're spending hours — actually days — in pure political theater," she said.

Jacob

A major victory for the new GOP house, no doubt.

The Larch

Quote from: Jacob on February 05, 2023, 12:33:10 PMA major victory for the new GOP house, no doubt.

Yeah, pointless theater that managed to split the Dems.

Zanza

Why don't the Democrats just vote "Present" for shenanigans like that?

celedhring

I find it odd to see so many Ds voting for this. I know socialism is a curse word in the US, but still...

The Larch

Dems should now do one on nationalism/white supremacy and see how the GOP reacts.  :ph34r:

Syt

Quote from: The Larch on February 05, 2023, 02:02:17 PMDems should now do one on nationalism/white supremacy and see how the GOP reacts.  :ph34r:

By playing the victim card and accusing them of anti-white racism. Duh. :P
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

The Larch

Quote from: Syt on February 05, 2023, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: The Larch on February 05, 2023, 02:02:17 PMDems should now do one on nationalism/white supremacy and see how the GOP reacts.  :ph34r:

By playing the victim card and accusing them of anti-white racism. Duh. :P

They'll do that anyway.  :P

Josquius

Jeez :bleeding:
How about a list of capitalist dictators and their attrocities? It's not going to look much better...
██████
██████
██████

grumbler

Socialism isn't an ideology, and the Democrats who voted to try to change reality are cowards and morons.  The republicans who voted to change reality were mere morons.

No one with an ounce of brains knows that there are circumstance in which the "means of production" need to be either heavily regulated or run by those who either work there or are customers there.  Social ownership should not be the default, because social ownership doesn't usually produce the kinds of excess funds needed for further investment in that producer, but the decision on regulation and ownership should be based on real considerations, not bumper sticker slogans.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Admiral Yi


Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 06, 2023, 06:44:53 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhaqSW0s6Ng

Santos accused of sexual harassment by prospective staffer.
Oh, that rascal!  What monkey shines will he get into next?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Barrister

Trump is reposting stuff on his Truth Social site implying DeSantis is a pedophile.

Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.