India Arie shares videos of Joe Rogan using N-word

[grumbler]

the problematic part was implying that there are women who enjoy being raped.

This is what we're debating.

Statutory rape is rape even if the woman was consenting and enjoyed the sex.  I'd argue that cases like statutory rape are exactly the kinds of victims-opinion-does-not-matter laws the professor was talking about.

[DGuller]

  Also a good point.

[grumbler]

On the N-word, I'd take Trevor Noah's argument one step further:  no one (not just white people) should use the N-word, because it can only get them in trouble.  Blacks seem to use the word to be edgy (none of the blacks I know, except maybe some of my students, feel the need to be edgy and I'm pretty sure none - except the students - of them use the word), but edgy is over-rated.

[Jacob]

Put the idea in his head.

Oh sorry... reading comprehension fail on my part. I thought you were making random book recommendations 

[ulmont]

Statutory rape is rape even if the woman was consenting and enjoyed the sex.  I'd argue that cases like statutory rape are exactly the kinds of victims-opinion-does-not-matter laws the professor was talking about.

And qualifying with "statutory" would have knocked out several of the possible reasons for concern I mentioned.  Very significant modifier.

[Josquius]

On the N-word, I'd take Trevor Noah's argument one step further:  no one (not just white people) should use the N-word, because it can only get them in trouble.  Blacks seem to use the word to be edgy (none of the blacks I know, except maybe some of my students, feel the need to be edgy and I'm pretty sure none - except the students - of them use the word), but edgy is over-rated.

I guess then you get into the question of to what extent shouldn't you.
Are we talking murder or eating chocolate after you've brushed your teeth or any of a bazillion places in between.

[grumbler]

Statutory rape is rape even if the woman was consenting and enjoyed the sex.  I'd argue that cases like statutory rape are exactly the kinds of victims-opinion-does-not-matter laws the professor was talking about.

And qualifying with "statutory" would have knocked out several of the possible reasons for concern I mentioned.  Very significant modifier.

But "statutory" creates a more restricted case than the point he is making.  His argument isn't about statutory rape.  That's just an example.

[grumbler]

On the N-word, I'd take Trevor Noah's argument one step further:  no one (not just white people) should use the N-word, because it can only get them in trouble.  Blacks seem to use the word to be edgy (none of the blacks I know, except maybe some of my students, feel the need to be edgy and I'm pretty sure none - except the students - of them use the word), but edgy is over-rated.

I guess then you get into the question of to what extent shouldn't you.
Are we talking murder or eating chocolate after you've brushed your teeth or any of a bazillion places in between.

Isn't this entire discussion about the extent?  There are no black-and-white answers about anything.  Your observation seems like a tautology.

[Valmy]

Does his apology matter? Does it move the needle at all?

It matters quite a bit to me. I earnestly believe Rogan means well and just wants to have interesting conversations with people. But he has his biases and he was always a California hippie type guy.

And yeah the monkeys part bothered me much more, just because there are lots of reasons to say the N-word however misguided that may be...but the monkey comment is something you say when you really mean it. Obviously he has been a close friend and colleague to many black comedians and actors and athletes and other celebrities over the years and had many on his show over the years so I don't know. Sucks.

Man.

[garbon]

He's a California hippie in what sense?

[Eddie Teach]

He's not from Texas.

[Syt]

Surprisingly, I saw no comments re: Rogan on my family's Facebook pages (the most recent brief outrage was about Whoopie Goldberg's comments about Jews and the Holocaust on The View).