Violence against women

[PDH]

Misogyny is the key.  Incels seem to believe women do not choose relationships for anything else than money or power, and they are singled out as socially awkward (again believed to be determined) that "mean women" take advantage of.  They call men who know women without being in a relationship as "simps" who are degrading themselves by doing this.

Women are both evil manipulators AND mindless followers of weird biological imperatives to seek out powerful mates.  It is a self-referential ongoing circle jerk of self-proclaimed victims who are attacked by a cruel world they refuse to take part in.

[The Brain]

Don't forget the fedora and katana.

[Berkut]

Incels are a problem, but they are not THE problem.

[Eddie Teach]

Don't forget the fedora and katana.

Neckbeards aren't the same thing as incels.

[Jacob]

The evidence suggests what I just said as well.

What evidence are you looking at?

[Syt]

In Austria, 21 women were killed so far this year which is a sad record. Except in one or two cases they were killed by their partner or ex-partner. Usually, extreme jealousy is the reason.

During the 24 hour Twitter event where Vienna police tweeted about all their actions through the day there were easily 15-20 responses to domestic violence against women. (And probably countless others were police wasn't called.) Superficially it seems women are much more likely to be subjected to violence from someone close to them (usually their partner) rather than by strangers.

[The Brain]

Don't forget the fedora and katana.

Neckbeards aren't the same thing as incels.

M'lady doth protest too much.

[Eddie Teach]

Don't forget the fedora and katana.

Neckbeards aren't the same thing as incels.

M'lady doth protest too much.

See there. Incels don't think of "foids" as ladies, nor do they attempt conversation.

[The Brain]

Don't forget the fedora and katana.

Neckbeards aren't the same thing as incels.

M'lady doth protest too much.

See there. Incels don't think of "foids" as ladies, nor do they attempt conversation.

Ah, they are not true incels. Gotcha.

[Admiral Yi]

What evidence are you looking at?

On line comments by self professed incels, like that Canadian shooter a while back.

[Zanza]

The shared worldview between incels and reactionary right/fascists is an idolization of patriarchal societies where women are not emancipated. Yi's suggestion that they tend left is not supported by anything I read about them so far.

[Barrister]

So, like I don't want to say that "Incels" are not a problem.  I've certainly heard the news reports about certain mass shootings.

But again - 17 years a career prosecutor.  Professionally I've never seen an incel-related crime.  But what I have seen is hundreds and hundreds of just regular-old incidents of domestic violence.  "good ole" wife-beating.  And it happens in every race and every class.

A focus on incels is completely missing the point if you want to talk about violence against women.

[Tamas]

You guys waisted no time going off course with this thread. :p

Incels are a symptom of mysogony holding out in our society but far from the only one.

And Eddie's troll on murder statistics you fell for way too easy. Murder of women is the tiny top of the violence against women iceberg.

[The Brain]

One problem is that many non-criminals are enormously accepting of crime and criminals.

[Josquius]

The incel community as I understand it started as purely being about mutual support for guys who can't get laid, it then devolved in a culty direction of outright hating anyone who does get laid (which kind of wrecks the involuntary part of incel -  fix your status and you're out of the club) and then went further down the rabbit hole into being a major far right recruitment ground. Incel culture is today an inherently far right and dangerous one.

They're also as well as being a problem in their own right a symptom of the deeper problems of toxic masculinity that infect modern culture. They represent an extreme but much of what you see in them does work its way through the heads of people who on the surface might be decent regular members of society, like this copper.

So, like I don't want to say that "Incels" are not a problem.  I've certainly heard the news reports about certain mass shootings.

But again - 17 years a career prosecutor.  Professionally I've never seen an incel-related crime.  But what I have seen is hundreds and hundreds of just regular-old incidents of domestic violence.  "good ole" wife-beating.  And it happens in every race and every class.

A focus on incels is completely missing the point if you want to talk about violence against women.

True in general. But the crime that prompted this was rather different to the norm; the sort of thing that probably does get too much attention albeit still not enough (if that makes sense) and this very much is bred by online culture.