Refractory Gauls, or the French politics thread

[viper37]

Xavier Bertrand

Is he Plastic's brother?

[Duque de Bragança]

Plastic Bertrand is Belgian. 

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Plastic Bertrand is Belgian. 

There's no such thing as Belgians, just ask Jules Destrée, or Talleyrand if you don't believe Destrée

[Duque de Bragança]

Plastic Bertrand is Belgian. 

There's no such thing as Belgians, just ask Jules Destrée, or Talleyrand if you don't believe Destrée

Talleyrand is too slimy for my taste, sorry. I am not arguing with his historic importance.

The bravest of the Gauls do not exist anymore? What? 

Jules Destrée is, well, Belgian, for the lack of a better word I guess.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Plastic Bertrand is Belgian. 

There's no such thing as Belgians, just ask Jules Destrée, or Talleyrand if you don't believe Destrée

Talleyrand is too slimy for my taste, sorry. I am not arguing with his historic importance.

The bravest of the Gauls do not exist anymore? What? 

Jules Destrée is, well, Belgian, for the lack of a better word I guess.

Walloon. Destrée is famous for writing the "Lettre au roi sur la séparation de la Wallonie et de la Flandre".
There he stated that a unitary belgium basically cannot work because there's no such thing as belgian, only flemish and walloons. (in the mean time we also know that a federal belgium also cannot work because the francophones aren't really trustworthy when it comes to implementing made agreements). In the same letter he also made a number of spurious claims, one of which is that the flemish stole flanders from the francophones. (the letter was countered in the "Réponse à la lettre au Roi sur la séparation de la Wallonie et de la Flandre" by Hippoliet Meert)
All in 1912.

anyways, none of it has anything to do with France, or with plastic betrand

[Syt]

"For each politician below, please indicate if they would be a better president than Macron:"

[Valmy]

So 14% haven't even heard of the runner up from the last election? Even Texans are impressed by that level of political detachment.

[Syt]

So 14% haven't even heard of the runner up from the last election? Even Texans are impressed by that level of political detachment.

No, dark grey is "I don't know", light grey is "I don't know this person."

[Josquius]

This calls for Napoleon IV.

Or. Err. Whatever number they're up to now.

[Duque de Bragança]

"For each politician below, please indicate if they would be a better president than Macron:"

Missing Zemmour. However, he has not declared himself to be a candidate. If he does, Marine won't be a certain run-off rival for Jupin, so the Mitterrand trick of using the far-right to divide the right would fail.

[Sheilbh]

"For each politician below, please indicate if they would be a better president than Macron:"

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I'm not sure how relevant that question is - I say that just because I feel like I've seen similar polls in the UK and I think it always has a huge incumbent bias because we can imagine them in that role.

But we are so far out all polling at this point is not too meaningful yet - I suspect Hidalgo and Bertrand will climb (especially now Hidalgo's formally launched her campaign).

Edit: And, as much as I bemoan the British left, I just looked and I think there are already 5 left candidates running in France plus the eventual PS candidates. I'll never understand the left's love of splitting into a dozen different factions and consequently losing

[Duque de Bragança]

Hidalgo? 

Notre Dame des Bobos is a joke, no appeal beyond the périphérique.
Provincial bobos might consider voting for her but she has no real chances. She will divide further more the left-wing vote.

[viper37]

Plastic Bertrand is Belgian. 

There's no such thing as Belgians, just ask Jules Destrée, or Talleyrand if you don't believe Destrée

The Walloons identify as Belgians.  I have yet to meet a Walloon who calls himself Walloon first.  Flemings are another matter.  To "Where are you from?", "Flanders" is the answer 9 times out of 10.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Plastic Bertrand is Belgian. 

There's no such thing as Belgians, just ask Jules Destrée, or Talleyrand if you don't believe Destrée

The Walloons identify as Belgians.  I have yet to meet a Walloon who calls himself Walloon first.  Flemings are another matter.  To "Where are you from?", "Flanders" is the answer 9 times out of 10.

Walloons only identify as "Belgian" because of money. So they can identify as belgians as much as they like, no one is fooled.

[Valmy]

Plastic Bertrand is Belgian. 

There's no such thing as Belgians, just ask Jules Destrée, or Talleyrand if you don't believe Destrée

The Walloons identify as Belgians.  I have yet to meet a Walloon who calls himself Walloon first.  Flemings are another matter.  To "Where are you from?", "Flanders" is the answer 9 times out of 10.

And only because the 10th guy happened to be born abroad.