Languish votes in the Catalan election (Take 2)

[Valmy]

Looks like a good result for your party Ced.

The Cs suck now

[Eddie Teach]

The Cs?

[Valmy]

The Cs?

They are a liberal political party...what's left of them.

[celedhring]

"yeah we want independence but we'll be happy with just more money" party.

Which one is that, PDeCat? It's hard to keep track of all the splinters of the old Convergencia. 

Yeah, aka PDeCA$H.

[celedhring]

The Cs?

They are a liberal political party...what's left of them.

They grew through a weird coalition of anti-nationalist progressives (they were born as a splinter of the Catalan SocDems), liberals, and Spanish nationalists. Eventually they had to decide what exactly they wanted to be, which would inevitably alienate some of these groups. Problem is that they went so shoddily about it that they ultimately managed to alienate them all.

Since Inés took over the she's running it as a traditional European liberal party, but seems it's too late, plus I'm not sure that brand has that many buyers in this day and age.

[The Larch]

"yeah we want independence but we'll be happy with just more money" party.

Which one is that, PDeCat? It's hard to keep track of all the splinters of the old Convergencia. 

Yeah, aka PDeCA$H.

And they got no MPs, first party in number of votes not to get any. Were these results the death throes of Pujolism? It's quite amazing how Puigdemont has completely hijacked and turned the old Convergencia into a totally different thing.

[The Larch]

Looks like a good result for your party Ced.

The Cs suck now

Newsflash, they've always sucked, and are in a death spiral since 2019, all thanks to Albert Rivera and his crazy machinations. It remains to be seen if they're able to stabilize the bloodlet and accept a much more reduced role or if they'll inevitably become the new UPyD and eventually dissappear in 1-2 election cycles.

[celedhring]

"yeah we want independence but we'll be happy with just more money" party.

Which one is that, PDeCat? It's hard to keep track of all the splinters of the old Convergencia. 

Yeah, aka PDeCA$H.

And they got no MPs, first party in number of votes not to get any. Were these results the death throes of Pujolism? It's quite amazing how Puigdemont has completely hijacked and turned the old Convergencia into a totally different thing.

Yeah, it's possibly the end - which is a bad thing since it removes a "landing platform" for those more moderate nationalist types (my dad voted for them, for example). Thing is, if the two moderate splinters from Convergència (PDeCAT and PNC) had agreed to a coalition, you add up their votes and they get 4 MPs.

[Sheilbh]

Newsflash, they've always sucked, and are in a death spiral since 2019, all thanks to Albert Rivera and his crazy machinations. It remains to be seen if they're able to stabilize the bloodlet and accept a much more reduced role or if they'll inevitably become the new UPyD and eventually dissappear in 1-2 election cycles.

Yeah I can't stand Cs

They seem the perfect example that in much of Europe if you vote liberal they will focus on winning the right and normally coming to some sort of accommodation with/fight for the votes of the populist right/far-right. So we should be under no illusions about liberals

[The Larch]

"yeah we want independence but we'll be happy with just more money" party.

Which one is that, PDeCat? It's hard to keep track of all the splinters of the old Convergencia. 

Yeah, aka PDeCA$H.

And they got no MPs, first party in number of votes not to get any. Were these results the death throes of Pujolism? It's quite amazing how Puigdemont has completely hijacked and turned the old Convergencia into a totally different thing.

Yeah, it's possibly the end - which is a bad thing since it removes a "landing platform" for those more moderate nationalist types (my dad voted for them, for example). Thing is, if the two moderate splinters from Convergència (PDeCAT and PNC) had agreed to a coalition, you add up their votes and they get 4 MPs.

I've had to look who are these PNC types (as I said, it's difficult to keep track of all the former Convergencia splinters), and I see that they barely got 5k votes, would they have tipped the balance that much?

[The Larch]

The Cs?

They are a liberal political party...what's left of them.

They grew through a weird coalition of anti-nationalist progressives (they were born as a splinter of the Catalan SocDems), liberals, and Spanish nationalists. Eventually they had to decide what exactly they wanted to be, which would inevitably alienate some of these groups. Problem is that they went so shoddily about it that they ultimately managed to alienate them all.

Since Inés took over the she's running it as a traditional European liberal party, but seems it's too late, plus I'm not sure that brand has that many buyers in this day and age.

She's running it as a traditional liberal party because their Spanish nationalist branch (ie, the "Girauta" branch) has defected to Vox (which tells you that their commitment to Cs was tenuous at best since the beginning) and their progressive branch is going back to the Socialists, so liberals are basically the ones left after the storm has passed.

[celedhring]

"yeah we want independence but we'll be happy with just more money" party.

Which one is that, PDeCat? It's hard to keep track of all the splinters of the old Convergencia. 

Yeah, aka PDeCA$H.

And they got no MPs, first party in number of votes not to get any. Were these results the death throes of Pujolism? It's quite amazing how Puigdemont has completely hijacked and turned the old Convergencia into a totally different thing.

Yeah, it's possibly the end - which is a bad thing since it removes a "landing platform" for those more moderate nationalist types (my dad voted for them, for example). Thing is, if the two moderate splinters from Convergència (PDeCAT and PNC) had agreed to a coalition, you add up their votes and they get 4 MPs.

I've had to look who are these PNC types (as I said, it's difficult to keep track of all the former Convergencia splinters), and I see that they barely got 5k votes, would they have tipped the balance that much?

Yeah, PDeCAT only needed 1000 more votes to get over the 3% cutoff.

Yes, the figure is fantastically ironic.

[The Larch]

 

Oh, the famous 3%... 

[celedhring]

For languishites, that particular party's predecessor (PDeCAT was just a rebrand since the old CDC was so closely associated with corruption) had an old and long-running corruption scandal where they took 3% of public contracts for themselves.

[The Larch]

By the way, what happened with Unió after they split with Convergencia? Are they still around or did they dissappear/merge with one of these splinters?