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Started by Syt, January 09, 2021, 07:46:24 AM

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HVC

It's Utah, and from a republican family, so I assume it's a hunting family. A 200 yard shot shouldn't be that hard for a hunter.
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Jacob

If it is indeed the shooter, and if he's an "online lolz" kid without any high level training, it's also possible it was a low probability shot that worked out in this case.

From what I've read (nameless online folks claiming to be Americans who shoot guns), the range of the shot combined with the rifle is a reasonable shot for hunting game; and also within the parameters of what US military practices on the shooting range.

That doesn't mean this kid necessarily could be confident to make this shot 100% of the time, but even if he'd make it 1 out of 10 times, or even 1 out of 20, this could be the one time he came up 1.

The Minsky Moment

He hit the neck right?  I assume he was either aiming head or chest.  So he "missed" but still close enough.

And he used a proper rifle, not some cheapo ripoff of an AR-15 like the idiot who shot at Trump.
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Josquius

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He did use cheapo ammo apparently. At least Google tells me this train stuff sucks.

Not confirmed yet. But to everyone's complete surprise it looks like it was someone from the far right who felt Kirk wasn't extreme enough. "Groypers" they go by apparently.

If this is confirmed true will all the trumpies screaming about the violent left have anything to say?
Doubtful.
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Neil

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 12, 2025, 01:01:36 PMHe hit the neck right?  I assume he was either aiming head or chest.  So he "missed" but still close enough.
At 200 yards, he could have been aiming for the head, but bullet drop would bring it down a few inches. 

Hopefully this is the guy and the justice system conclusively shows his guilt.  Years of conspiracy nonsense catching on ala JFK wouldn't be helpful for anyone. 
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Josquius

Quote from: Neil on September 12, 2025, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 12, 2025, 01:01:36 PMHe hit the neck right?  I assume he was either aiming head or chest.  So he "missed" but still close enough.
At 200 yards, he could have been aiming for the head, but bullet drop would bring it down a few inches. 

Hopefully this is the guy and the justice system conclusively shows his guilt.  Years of conspiracy nonsense catching on ala JFK wouldn't be helpful for anyone. 

Wouldn't put it past the current Govenrment to just find a politically convenient person to pin it on... But this guys profile doesn't look to be that. So fingers crossed.
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Tonitrus

Quote from: Neil on September 12, 2025, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 12, 2025, 01:01:36 PMHe hit the neck right?  I assume he was either aiming head or chest.  So he "missed" but still close enough.
At 200 yards, he could have been aiming for the head, but bullet drop would bring it down a few inches. 

Hopefully this is the guy and the justice system conclusively shows his guilt.  Years of conspiracy nonsense catching on ala JFK wouldn't be helpful for anyone. 

There is always the "he was just a tool" angle.

Sophie Scholl

Quote from: Josquius on September 12, 2025, 02:11:07 PMIf this is confirmed true will all the trumpies screaming about the violent left have anything to say?
Doubtful.
About as likely as the WSJ to post an apology or retraction that "transgender ideology" was inscribed on the shells. I've seen numerous calls for "war" and "crusade" already. Some even after the shooter was arrested. I have yet to see any retractions or backing down. They've been dedicated to fake news and conspiracy theories for years, why let the truth stop them this time?
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Zoupa

Quote from: Josquius on September 12, 2025, 02:11:07 PMNot confirmed yet. But to everyone's complete surprise it looks like it was someone from the far right who felt Kirk wasn't extreme enough. "Groypers" they go by apparently.

That's not what I've seen reported at all.

What to know about the suspect in Charlie Kirk shooting


garbon

Right wing cancel culture over people disrespecting Kirk sure is interesting to see.
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Quote from: garbon on September 12, 2025, 10:12:54 AMI forgot this:
QuoteBullets found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included apparent left-wing slogans such as "Hey fascist! Catch!" and another referencing "Oh, Bella Ciao!" a popular Italian anti-fascist song

That can't be. Grumbler tells us that no one can be a fascist.
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Valmy

Quote from: garbon on September 12, 2025, 10:00:49 AMWhite people are so dangerous. What is up with that?

Our glorious heritage of bloody conquest, world wide empire, and human trafficking is hard to shake.

But seriously we have a lot of nuts who are allowed to just do whatever and nobody does much about it.
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Valmy

Quote from: Zoupa on September 12, 2025, 03:54:54 PMThat's not what I've seen reported at all.

What to know about the suspect in Charlie Kirk shooting

From what I can tell it is another former Trump supporter who went nuts, like the two guys who tried to kill Trump.

Not exactly coming out of leftwing circles but not exactly some right winger either. Just a freak.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Neil

Seems like somebody who is terminally online.  Average redditor type. 
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Valmy

Quote from: Neil on September 12, 2025, 07:06:34 PMSeems like somebody who is terminally online.  Average redditor type. 

The Caio Bella thing made me wonder if he wasn't one of those HoI4 weirdos.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."