Quo Vadis GOP?

[Darth Wagtaros]

AOC and Trump uniting to give the parties whatfor.

[Valmy]

Do you think Trump going 3rd party at some point is a real possibility? That'd really split the GOP and force them to evolve.

That was his original plan but he decided it was not feasible.

If he did it now it would shatter the party. Evil Bull Moose style.

I don't know what he will do, in the short term we just want him out of office.

[Valmy]

AOC and Trump uniting to give the parties whatfor.

A national socialist party if you will. And that is what it would take to really have a third party. Progressives and populist right wingers somehow finding common ground against the establishment. But they hate each other so much that would never happen. All those wedge issues the Democrats and Republicans have been hammering on for so many years really makes such an alliance untenable.

I mean what would be their stance on abortion? That alone would be an enormous hurdle and that would just be the beginning.

And as for AOC I don't think she is really as radical as she pretends to be.

[Grey Fox]

Radicality(?) is relative.

[Valmy]

Radicality(?) is relative.

Ok not sufficiently radical to break with the Democrats to advance a left wing agenda.

[Jacob]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q1jqbJM2v4

Corporations stop donations to those who objected to certification.

Lack of money could change the Republican party.

It seems the recent trend (past few years) is for the right wing to take business support for granted. It'll be interesting to see to what degree the money pulling out actually influences things.

[Jacob]

And as for AOC I don't think she is really as radical as she pretends to be.

I think she's pretty open about what she's about. I think she's not as radical as the right pretends when they need someone to villify.

[Admiral Yi]

For all my criticism of the progessive left, one thing I will not accuse them of is insincerity.

[Jacob]

For all my criticism of the progessive left, one thing I will not accuse them of is insincerity.

[Tonitrus]

Do you think Trump going 3rd party at some point is a real possibility? That'd really split the GOP and force them to evolve.

Why would Trump need two parties? 

[Valmy]

And as for AOC I don't think she is really as radical as she pretends to be.

I think she's pretty open about what she's about. I think she's not as radical as the right pretends when they need someone to villify.

I don't know. She made several promises about being a counter-establishment combative Democrat who was going to really make some noise to push the Democrats left. She makes a few noises but for the most part she is not all that combative or counter-leadership. I think if you elected her wanting her to go to war with the Democrats who have sold out to big business you are probably not going to be very happy so far. If you elected her wanting her to piss off Republicans you will probably be pretty satisfied.

Hence why I have not seen much evidence she would break from the Democrats for some more explicitly socialist party. But especially not to ally with Donald Trump 

[Valmy]

But I mean there are Republicans who think Joe Biden is a radical socialist and that the Democrats are Communists. Pissing them off is not really a mark of strong radical leftist credentials.

[Admiral Yi]

For all my criticism of the progessive left, one thing I will not accuse them of is insincerity.

I don't get it.

[Sheilbh]

It seems the recent trend (past few years) is for the right wing to take business support for granted. It'll be interesting to see to what degree the money pulling out actually influences things.

Yeah - it makes me think of Boris Johnson's famous "fuck business" remark.

[Jacob]

I don't get it.

I thought it was well put, so I laughed. Many of the things you say (well two years ago when I was here) come across as dry, understated, and true. That's kind of where my sense of humour lives.

I agree with you that the progressive left is generally not insincere. The scope of all the other things you imply you can accuse the left of is pretty darn vast. The phrase you used was pretty precise in conveying how you feel about the progressive left, which is IIRC not particularly enthusiastic.

Maybe I picked the wrong emoticon. I meant to convey: "Well put, Yi. Your epic understatement made me laugh."