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Started by Caliga, November 07, 2020, 12:07:22 PM

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mongers

Quote from: Legbiter on December 21, 2024, 10:19:40 AMAccording to the WSJ Biden was senile from day 1 as prez and had to be very carefully stage-managed. Nothing too surprising to anyone here but interesting post game analysis and admission.

https://archive.ph/fLhKg

Thanks for that, Interesting/depressing. 
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Quote from: Legbiter on December 21, 2024, 10:19:40 AMAccording to the WSJ Biden was senile from day 1 as prez and had to be very carefully stage-managed. Nothing too surprising to anyone here but interesting post game analysis and admission.

https://archive.ph/fLhKg

Well yeah. It is why I never voted for him outside of when I had no choice.
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Who then decided it would be a good idea for him to try for a second term?  Idiots!

Sheilbh

Also feels like a damning indictment of the media. "Now we can reveal..."
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mongers

Quote from: Sheilbh on December 21, 2024, 01:21:18 PMAlso feels like a damning indictment of the media. "Now we can reveal..."

Yeah "the open secret we never talked about" .

Maybe sometimes some on the right are correct when they talk of a liberal media conspiracy?
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HVC

Quote from: Sheilbh on December 21, 2024, 01:21:18 PMAlso feels like a damning indictment of the media. "Now we can reveal..."

It's the only honorable thing the media has done in regards to Trump for the last decade.
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The Minsky Moment

The article is sourced from "Democratic lawmakers, donors and aides who worked for Biden and other administrations". There is no real inside source.  I would be careful about accepting the claims in that article uncritically.
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grumbler

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2024, 09:17:05 AMThe article is sourced from "Democratic lawmakers, donors and aides who worked for Biden and other administrations". There is no real inside source.  I would be careful about accepting the claims in that article uncritically.

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Sheilbh

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2024, 09:17:05 AMThe article is sourced from "Democratic lawmakers, donors and aides who worked for Biden and other administrations". There is no real inside source.  I would be careful about accepting the claims in that article uncritically.
Across 50 interviews. I suppose the question is whether or not you believe the thrust of that story, or if you think the White House's line was true? Because I think if you do the criticism you might have or doubts about specific points, but if the thrust is true to what extent do those criticisms matter?

I'd add I don't think there was such a rigorous attitude to sourcing in stories about Trump's White House (which was the right approach).

FWIW I think this could have a very big impact, especially taken with things like the pardon for Hunter Biden. And I think a defence that is just pointing to the scandals of a man Democrats consider a threat to the republic and democracy itself will wear thin, if it hasn't already.
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Napoleon XIV

Quote from: Sheilbh on December 22, 2024, 02:54:23 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2024, 09:17:05 AMThe article is sourced from "Democratic lawmakers, donors and aides who worked for Biden and other administrations". There is no real inside source.  I would be careful about accepting the claims in that article uncritically.
Across 50 interviews. I suppose the question is whether or not you believe the thrust of that story, or if you think the White House's line was true? Because I think if you do the criticism you might have or doubts about specific points, but if the thrust is true to what extent do those criticisms matter?

I'd add I don't think there was such a rigorous attitude to sourcing in stories about Trump's White House (which was the right approach).

FWIW I think this could have a very big impact, especially taken with things like the pardon for Hunter Biden. And I think a defence that is just pointing to the scandals of a man Democrats consider a threat to the republic and democracy itself will wear thin, if it hasn't already.

Just out of curiosity, during Reagan's second term was there any reporting from inside or outside sources as to his mental decline?  He is, to my knowledge, the only President we know had an actual diagnosis of Alzheimer's not long after leaving office (i.e. he was either pre-clinical or, more likely, in the early stages while President).

But as to Biden - I don't doubt that he does have, and has had for some time as recent reports indicate, some degree of mild (or not so mild) cognitive decline.  After all, the greatest risk factor for MCI is age.  The thing about cognitive decline is that it can arise from dozens of different causes and follow innumerable paths, but in most cases it is progressive and generally follows a plateau and step pattern.

So, with that in mind, did he need a bit of hand-holding in the beginning?  Seems reasonable on the face of it.  But probably not THAT much, especially when you consider things like the concept of cognitive reserve for a guy who had been doing that sort of political thing his whole life.  Just compare the 2020 and 2024 debates.  It's pretty clear he stepped down a few notches, and, unless it's something like vascular dementia, that seems kind of steep unless he was already through a couple of step and plateau cycles already.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Sheilbh on December 22, 2024, 02:54:23 PMAcross 50 interviews. I suppose the question is whether or not you believe the thrust of that story, or if you think the White House's line was true?

The thrust of the story is that Biden's staff was very controlling, which is not very surprising for many reasons.  It's a dog bites man story.

QuoteI'd add I don't think there was such a rigorous attitude to sourcing in stories about Trump's White House (which was the right approach).
There were MANY insiders who served as sources on Trump.


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Legbiter

Quote from: Sheilbh on December 22, 2024, 02:54:23 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2024, 09:17:05 AMThe article is sourced from "Democratic lawmakers, donors and aides who worked for Biden and other administrations". There is no real inside source.  I would be careful about accepting the claims in that article uncritically.
Across 50 interviews. I suppose the question is whether or not you believe the thrust of that story, or if you think the White House's line was true? Because I think if you do the criticism you might have or doubts about specific points, but if the thrust is true to what extent do those criticisms matter?

I'd add I don't think there was such a rigorous attitude to sourcing in stories about Trump's White House (which was the right approach).

FWIW I think this could have a very big impact, especially taken with things like the pardon for Hunter Biden. And I think a defence that is just pointing to the scandals of a man Democrats consider a threat to the republic and democracy itself will wear thin, if it hasn't already.

81 year old congresswoman from Texas who had been missing for 6 months was just found living in a dementia care facility.  :mellow:
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Legbiter on December 23, 2024, 10:33:16 AM81 year old congresswoman from Texas who had been missing for 6 months was just found living in a dementia care facility.  :mellow:

She was found in the Senate?  That is an odd place for a Rep.
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HVC

Quote from: Legbiter on December 23, 2024, 10:33:16 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 22, 2024, 02:54:23 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2024, 09:17:05 AMThe article is sourced from "Democratic lawmakers, donors and aides who worked for Biden and other administrations". There is no real inside source.  I would be careful about accepting the claims in that article uncritically.
Across 50 interviews. I suppose the question is whether or not you believe the thrust of that story, or if you think the White House's line was true? Because I think if you do the criticism you might have or doubts about specific points, but if the thrust is true to what extent do those criticisms matter?

I'd add I don't think there was such a rigorous attitude to sourcing in stories about Trump's White House (which was the right approach).

FWIW I think this could have a very big impact, especially taken with things like the pardon for Hunter Biden. And I think a defence that is just pointing to the scandals of a man Democrats consider a threat to the republic and democracy itself will wear thin, if it hasn't already.

81 year old congresswoman from Texas who had been missing for 6 months was just found living in a dementia care facility.  :mellow:

How's that go unknown? Did the butterfly net people come and catch her without the family knowing?
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

grumbler

Quote from: HVC on December 23, 2024, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on December 23, 2024, 10:33:16 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 22, 2024, 02:54:23 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2024, 09:17:05 AMThe article is sourced from "Democratic lawmakers, donors and aides who worked for Biden and other administrations". There is no real inside source.  I would be careful about accepting the claims in that article uncritically.
Across 50 interviews. I suppose the question is whether or not you believe the thrust of that story, or if you think the White House's line was true? Because I think if you do the criticism you might have or doubts about specific points, but if the thrust is true to what extent do those criticisms matter?

I'd add I don't think there was such a rigorous attitude to sourcing in stories about Trump's White House (which was the right approach).

FWIW I think this could have a very big impact, especially taken with things like the pardon for Hunter Biden. And I think a defence that is just pointing to the scandals of a man Democrats consider a threat to the republic and democracy itself will wear thin, if it hasn't already.

81 year old congresswoman from Texas who had been missing for 6 months was just found living in a dementia care facility.  :mellow:

How's that go unknown? Did the butterfly net people come and catch her without the family knowing?

She wasn't lost.  Legbiter is doing the annoying clickbait thing.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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