What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

[Grey Fox]

It's too bad that this is in a virtual form and we won't be able to print it out for warmth when the climate implodes.

[Zoupa]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

[Tonitrus]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

Trump had a greater percentage of the vote than Trudeau's party did. 

[grumbler]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

Trump had a greater percentage of the vote than Trudeau's party did. 

But neither Trudeau nor Trump ever themselves faced a nationwide popular vote.  Heads of Government are indirectly elected in both countries.  Same with the UK and France.  A lot of people don't appear to know this, which surprises me.

[Berkut]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

If he is on message, and the rest f the party is on message, then it can most certainly flip plenty of states that are not Wyoming.

I don't understand how this isn't just obvious.

[Tonitrus]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

Trump had a greater percentage of the vote than Trudeau's party did. 

But neither Trudeau nor Trump ever themselves faced a nationwide popular vote.  Heads of Government are indirectly elected in both countries.  Same with the UK and France.  A lot of people don't appear to know this, which surprises me.

I know.  My glib remark was meant more as a riposte on the fact we have different political structures (aimed at Zoupa's criticism), that don't translate equally.  Certainly those structures can be criticized as to which is superior, or works better, but that gets more into the realm of political/opinion and philosophy, and away from the factual.

[Berkut]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

Trump had a greater percentage of the vote than Trudeau's party did. 

But neither Trudeau nor Trump ever themselves faced a nationwide popular vote.  Heads of Government are indirectly elected in both countries.  Same with the UK and France.  A lot of people don't appear to know this, which surprises me.

I know.  My glib remark was meant more as a riposte on the fact we have different political structures (aimed at Zoupa's criticism), that don't translate equally.  Certainly those structures can be criticized as to which is superior, or works better, but that gets more into the realm of political/opinion and philosophy, and away from the factual.

More importantly, once you start talking about how political systems work, you immediately go into how to make them work in order to win elections (at least nominally democratic ones).


...which then we end up right back with exasperated centrists asking the left to think a bit about actually winning elections instead of arguments when prominent left wing politicians (and yes, she is prominent enough that people notice what she says) start spouting off stupid shit like abolishing the police. Hell, even SHE knows it was a dumb thing to say, since she walked it back the next day.

[Tonitrus]

I am not trying to step into the Tlaib/Centrist quagmire that ya'll have set up here. 

I am more tired of the "ZOMG THA POTUS DIDNT EVEN WIN THE POPULAR VOTE!!11" arguments, and the subsequent smugness about the superiorness of their political systems, when those same systems have what could easily be argued is even more removed from directly electing their executive than the one we have.

[Berkut]

I am not trying to step into the Tlaib/Centrist quagmire that ya'll have set up here. 

I am more tired of the "ZOMG THA POTUS DIDNT EVEN WIN THE POPULAR VOTE!!11" arguments, and the subsequent smugness about the superiorness of their political systems, when those same systems have what could easily be argued is even more removed from directly electing their executive than the one we have.

Fair enough. Although our system really is fucked up.

But that quagmire is, as Zoupa notes, exhausting.

But its the one we have, so we have to figure out how to work inside it, especially if we want to contemplate trying to change it.

[Valmy]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

Trump had a greater percentage of the vote than Trudeau's party did. 

Yeah but there is a pretty big difference: another party did not get more votes than Trudeau's did.

[Barrister]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

Trump had a greater percentage of the vote than Trudeau's party did. 

Yeah but there is a pretty big difference: another party did not get more votes than Trudeau's did.

You better check again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Canadian_federal_election

[Tonitrus]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

Trump had a greater percentage of the vote than Trudeau's party did. 

Yeah but there is a pretty big difference: another party did not get more votes than Trudeau's did.

If we follow that logic, though, it's worth noting that Hillary Clinton did not win a majority of the popular vote either.

[Grey Fox]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

Trump had a greater percentage of the vote than Trudeau's party did. 

Yeah but there is a pretty big difference: another party did not get more votes than Trudeau's did.

You better check again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Canadian_federal_election

Crazy, how inefficient the CP vote is.

[Valmy]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

Trump had a greater percentage of the vote than Trudeau's party did. 

Yeah but there is a pretty big difference: another party did not get more votes than Trudeau's did.

If we follow that logic, though, it's worth noting that Hillary Clinton did not win a majority of the popular vote either.

It is worth noting. I would vastly prefer ranked choice voting or a runoff instead of FPTP.

Having one singular powerful office with vast arbitrary power, like the POTUS, without even a minority plurality support, is dangerous to the long term health of our goverment. I don't see why that isn't obvious.

[Valmy]

Hey....how did we end up with 6 Supreme Court justices from the Tea Party when we won that damn argument so convincingly! How is it that the Senate is half fucking Trump troglodytes when we keep winning our argument so thoroughly????

Because of the structural issues within your system? I mean you have a President that lost the popular vote, nominating SC judges by having Wyoming senators overrule California senators.

Tlaib can be on message all she wants, it's not going to flip Wyoming.

Trump had a greater percentage of the vote than Trudeau's party did. 

Yeah but there is a pretty big difference: another party did not get more votes than Trudeau's did.

You better check again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Canadian_federal_election

Sorry I missed that one. I was going off 2015 since I have been kind of distracted by all the nonsense going on in my country since then.