What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

[Barrister]

I can't believe that so many of your schools remained closed to be honest.  Having our schools open is one of the better things Alberta has done in fighting Covid.  There's been very, very little spread within the schools themselves.

Yeah our schools are open. I can see why we closed them at first, before we had more information, but now we have data that suggests that they can be opened safely. The high cost of closing those schools does not seem worth the price at all based on what we know now.

But in other jurisdictions (I keep hearing about NYC for example) they're closed.

[Valmy]

I can't believe that so many of your schools remained closed to be honest.  Having our schools open is one of the better things Alberta has done in fighting Covid.  There's been very, very little spread within the schools themselves.

Yeah our schools are open. I can see why we closed them at first, before we had more information, but now we have data that suggests that they can be opened safely. The high cost of closing those schools does not seem worth the price at all based on what we know now.

But in other jurisdictions (I keep hearing about NYC for example) they're closed.

I know. But NYC might be a bad example since they have been such a hot spot. It might make sense there where it might not in Alberta or Texas I don't know.

But generally we need to get schools open. Education, and all activities for kids, are really suffering during this thing.

[grumbler]

The POTUS doesn't decide when schools open.

My school has been open since the beginning of October, with a two-week break after an outbreak of Covid that was not really related to school (a parent of the baseball team decided to have a team cookout). 

But this is in a small rural county with much less student interaction with crowds.  I think that things have to be decided on a case-by-case basis, which precludes a presidential order.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Yeah. Schools in Fairfax county (densely populated DC suburbs) have been closed, reopened with restrictions, and are now closed again, but recently announced a reopening plan targeting mid-March. All of the (private) preschools we're looking at, however, have been open with reduced class sizes, social distancing, and other precautions.

[saskganesh]

I realize I'm in the minority on this, but I think holding the trial now is a massive mistake.

I believe you are somewhat right, and there will be political loss over the short term, but they really have to. No other President has started an insurrection, went home to watch the spectacle on TV, and refuse to take phone calls while he was enjoying his show.

There just has to be a trial.

[Malthus]

I realize I'm in the minority on this, but I think holding the trial now is a massive mistake.

I believe you are somewhat right, and there will be political loss over the short term, but they really have to. No other President has started an insurrection, went home to watch the spectacle on TV, and refuse to take phone calls while he was enjoying his show.

There just has to be a trial.

I agree with this - not doing the trial would be a mistake.

[Jacob]

I agree with this - not doing the trial would be a mistake.

Yeah, if for no other reason than to bring more evidence of the organization into public view.

[Admiral Yi]

The trial has value in setting an historical record of the vote and compelling Republican senators to vote on something they would rather duck.

[saskganesh]

I'm reading Grant lost Reconstruction, because he did mass arrests but there was not enough legal followup, legal capacity and too many sympathizers in the judiciary.

Good luck, honestly.

[The Brain]

You must kill the sons of Brutus.

[crazy canuck]

I realize I'm in the minority on this, but I think holding the trial now is a massive mistake.

I believe you are somewhat right, and there will be political loss over the short term, but they really have to. No other President has started an insurrection, went home to watch the spectacle on TV, and refuse to take phone calls while he was enjoying his show.

There just has to be a trial.

Imagine the political price of condoning the actions of the past president by taking the unprecedented step of not holding the trial in the Senate and the vote to impeach has already occurred in the House.

[alfred russel]

Imagine the political price of condoning the actions of the past president by taking the unprecedented step of not holding the trial in the Senate and the vote to impeach has already occurred in the House.

I was just curious so I checked wikipedia--if it is accurate it looks like it would have precedent for the senate to not proceed to a trial for an impeached official who left office.

That said: I want to be clear that I was in no way saying there shouldn't be a senate trial. I was saying that there shouldn't be a senate trial right now. The senate has only approved 6 Biden senior posts, and if they aren't approving more while the trial proceeds, we will likely be at 7 at the one month mark of Biden's presidency. The optics will be that litigating the past is more important to senate democrats than putting in place the administration, and I think the optics will have truth to them.

A couple months from now, that won't be the case.

The real trial for Trump shouldn't be in the Senate anyway. There should be a criminal trial--or more likely multiple criminal trials.

[Valmy]

Imagine the political price of condoning the actions of the past president by taking the unprecedented step of not holding the trial in the Senate and the vote to impeach has already occurred in the House.

Nobody is suggesting that though. Only that we get the important legislative agenda done first, and that is often done in the first few months of a Presidential term, and then we can have the trial. It sounds good to me if the trial will slow the vital legislation we need, especially with the crisis our nation is facing and the politically precarious position the Democrats currently are in. They need to have a big string of successes to take to the voters in 2022.

[The Minsky Moment]

I was just curious so I checked wikipedia--if it is accurate it looks like it would have precedent for the senate to not proceed to a trial for an impeached official who left office.

What precedent is that?

[grumbler]

I was just curious so I checked wikipedia--if it is accurate it looks like it would have precedent for the senate to not proceed to a trial for an impeached official who left office.

What precedent is that?

I think a couple of judges resigned rather than facing impeachment trials.