US Election Week 2020

[Razgovory]

A bribery for Presidential pardons case was just unsealed.  This is hard to keep up with.

[Caliga]

I kind of hope Trump abuses the shit out of his pardon powers, to the degree that Congress later moves to remove this power from the President altogether.  I don't like the idea that the President can pardon people anyway.  I realize it'll take a Constitutional amendment to get it removed, so it's therefore super unlikely, but if Trump makes enough idiotic pardons--which given how Trump is it seems likely--then maybe it'll be a possibility.

[grumbler]

Can the Lt Gov of Georgia swear on a bible that he was observing Zombie Hugo Chavez during the entire election process so as to be able to affirm to a jury that ZHC did NOT, in fact, inject millions of Democratic votes into the US electronic voting machines?

I thought not.  Advantage:  Trump Team.

[I have decided, after consideration, that Zombie Hugo Chavez was Peak Trump.*  It isn't possible to top that in the few weeks remaining to his term.]


*If that speech had been delivered at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping site, it would have been Peak Anypresident.

[grumbler]

I kind of hope Trump abuses the shit out of his pardon powers, to the degree that Congress later moves to remove this power from the President altogether.  I don't like the idea that the President can pardon people anyway.  I realize it'll take a Constitutional amendment to get it removed, so it's therefore super unlikely, but if Trump makes enough idiotic pardons--which given how Trump is it seems likely--then maybe it'll be a possibility.

Congress has no power in this arena at all.  They can't even write a law forcing the president to use his own Presidential Pardons Office to vet the pardons.

[grumbler]

I think they mean a blanket pardon. Trump can't pardon them for acts that haven't happened yet.

In any case, my question stands: can the President pardon an individual who has not been found guilty, nor even accused so far?

The President can, but accepting a pardon, under US law, is considered a concession of guilt.  Accepting an "every crime" pardon is effectively confessing to every crime that will ever be seriously alleged.

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/another-georgia-county-has-uncovered-2700-missing-votes-secretary-states-office-says/5W734FA755CK3NCR4P7A27DXVM/

This is old news, but not mentioned here.  Several thousand ballots found to not have been counted in Georgia.

Skullduggery or boneheadedness?

Hey Fredo, are Fayette and Floyd county Trump country or sane country?

[Caliga]

Congress has no power in this arena at all.  They can't even write a law forcing the president to use his own Presidential Pardons Office to vet the pardons.

Right, they'd have to initiate a constitutional amendment to be ratified by the states to change that (I think).

[Habbaku]

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/another-georgia-county-has-uncovered-2700-missing-votes-secretary-states-office-says/5W734FA755CK3NCR4P7A27DXVM/

This is old news, but not mentioned here.  Several thousand ballots found to not have been counted in Georgia.

Skullduggery or boneheadedness?

Hey Fredo, are Fayette and Floyd county Trump country or sane country?

Boneheadedness.

I'm not Fredo, but: Fayette is less retarded than Floyd, but still (just barely) Trump country. Floyd is full retard.

[viper37]

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/another-georgia-county-has-uncovered-2700-missing-votes-secretary-states-office-says/5W734FA755CK3NCR4P7A27DXVM/

This is old news, but not mentioned here.  Several thousand ballots found to not have been counted in Georgia.

Skullduggery or boneheadedness?

Hey Fredo, are Fayette and Floyd county Trump country or sane country?

that was included in the finaly tally, IIRC.  That's why recounts are good, when a vote is tight.

[Monoriu]

I don't like the idea that the President can pardon people anyway. 

[Admiral Yi]

The Secretary of State said some 24,500 Georgia Republicans who voted absentee in the June primary, didn't vote in the general election.

Raffensperger told Channel 2 investigative reporter Justin Gray that the president cost himself the election here.

"Those 24,000 people did not vote in the fall. They did not vote absentee because they were told by the president, 'Don't vote absentee it's not secure.' But then they did not vote in person," Raffensperger said.

From the article I linked.

[Valmy]

And here is hoping him claiming this election was full of fraud and zombie communists costs the Republicans the Senate runoffs.

That is the straw I am grasping for here 

[DGuller]

I appreciate the effort of that Georgia Republican dude, but he's making quite a few assumptions.  I'm sure there are always going to be some people voting in the primaries but not in the general, it's bound to happen sometimes.  I'm sure it happened to some Democrats as well.  We also can't know why they didn't vote in the general.

[Razgovory]

A bribery for Presidential pardons case was just unsealed.  This is hard to keep up with.

Ugh, I posted this in the wrong thread.

[The Brain]

Have Trump's henchmen violated any state laws in their attempt to destroy democracy?