US Election Week 2020

[FunkMonk]

Question for the law-talking guys here: Is it normal for a lawyer to debase themselves like this for their client? What do other lawyers think when they see their fellow jurists act like this?

[Eddie Teach]

I suspect it depends on what proportion of their business comes from that one client.

[Barrister]

Question for the law-talking guys here: Is it normal for a lawyer to debase themselves like this for their client? What do other lawyers think when they see their fellow jurists act like this?

I think you know the answer here.  No, it's not normal at all.  Yes, we think less of lawyers who act like that.

IN particular as litigators, you're not supposed to identify with your client.  You're a professional.  Even after 16+ years as a prosecutor I'd like to think I could just as easily walk in as defence counsel if I needed to in the future.

[Sheilbh]

I think you know the answer here.  No, it's not normal at all.  Yes, we think less of lawyers who act like that.

IN particular as litigators, you're not supposed to identify with your client.  You're a professional.  Even after 16+ years as a prosecutor I'd like to think I could just as easily walk in as defence counsel if I needed to in the future.

Also - and this may be very different in the US - but here I just don't think many lawyers go in for that type of publicity/attention seeking on social media. I think Trump, as a client, wants that - he wants to see his lawyers fighting for him on TV and in the newspaper pages because mentally he lives in Page Six.

But there are relatively few "media" lawyers here. It's far more normal that you just get a solicitor reading a statement - some, especially on high profile cases like phone hacking or Assange's extradition will do interviews. I wonder if that's in part a function of the split profession, so the people hiring barristers/advocates are other lawyers who might distrust apublicity hungry QC?

[viper37]

There is all but zero doubt that Joe Biden will be sworn in as the new President on inauguration day.

Is there a possibility of faithless electors in some of the contested States?

The electors were all handpicked by the Democrats so it's not like they are going to be influenced by anything but their weird whims, like in 2016 when people were voting for Ron Paul and Spotted Eagle, but they won't vote for Donald Trump.

Ok.
Are they the same electors who would vote for whomever was chosen by the population (or the State's legislature, if they changed their method of selection) or are there 2 distinct sets of grand electors per State, one for the Dems, one for the GOP and whomevers wins the State has his own people voting in the Electoral College?

[Valmy]

The second one. When you vote for Biden you are actually voting for his slate of electors.

[viper37]

Today in Trump legal team news, Jenna Ellis takes to Twitter:

Jenna Ellis
@JennaEllisEsq
10h

Jenna Ellis
@JennaEllisEsq
For people asking, this quotation has been attributed to Roosevelt, but there isn't a specific record of him saying this in a speech. I posted it because the ifea itself is true, whether or not he said it!
2:14 PM · Nov 25, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

That means, it was liberals who voted and cheered for Trump all this time??

[viper37]

Question for the law-talking guys here: Is it normal for a lawyer to debase themselves like this for their client? What do other lawyers think when they see their fellow jurists act like this?

They're often like that, spouting lies, or rather repeating the lies of their clients.  They just avoid doing it overtly in the courtroom.  That's why they more often than not push for out of court settlement.
That's my experience with business law.  Don't know nothing about criminal law and I hope to never know nothing about it either

[viper37]

But there are relatively few "media" lawyers here.

Yeah, media lawyer are a rare thing over here.  I can think of one, based in Quebec city who really fits the profile, usually cases against the government.  One in Montreal, who had her own tv show for a while, batshit insane crazy nymphomaniac uber-feminist who must be into sadomasochism for sure the way she talks of men, and she's specializes in family law.  Maybe one more who specializes in criminal law, often seen on TV in the past, commenting on cases.  A mayor/lawyer who I think was disbarred after comments made on his tv show.

But yeah, going in front of the media to tell a lie about their client is virtually unheard of over here.  They do it in private.

[viper37]

The second one. When you vote for Biden you are actually voting for his slate of electors.

thanks.  It clarifies things and I'm much less worried about things going any further than this.

[crazy canuck]

Question for the law-talking guys here: Is it normal for a lawyer to debase themselves like this for their client? What do other lawyers think when they see their fellow jurists act like this?

In this jurisdiction law society disciplinary proceedings would be commenced which would likely result in suspension and perhaps disbarment.  There are a long list of code of ethics violations (in this jurisdiction anyway) on display

[Caliga]

My understanding is that Guiliani can be disbarred for his post-election behavior, yeah.

[Sheilbh]

Well Trump does apparently ask where is his Roy Cohn, so that would be an appropriate end to the story.

[The Larch]

All our local fascist (sorry, alt-right) press is going bonkers about some ruling by a Pennsylvania judge regarding the certification process that they claim makes Trump the real president-elect at the moment. Any clue about what they're referring to?

[grumbler]

All our local fascist (sorry, alt-right) press is going bonkers about some ruling by a Pennsylvania judge regarding the certification process that they claim makes Trump the real president-elect at the moment. Any clue about what they're referring to?

It doesn't affect the Presidential election, but a PA judge ordered the state to stop certifying downballot elections.

Edit:  it's a moronic ruling by a moronic judge.  Essentially, the judge buys the idea that the legislature had to have explicit PA Constitutional authority to change the rules for mail-in balloting, even though the subject does not come up in the PA Constitution, which gives the legislature authority to decide how elections are run.

Ironically, the case pits two wannabee republican legislators suing the republican legislature (but naming the democrats in the state as defendants).