US Election Week 2020

[viper37]

AFAIK the only states that currently have active lawsuits from the Trump campaign are Michigan and Pennsylvania.  Arizona was dropped, Georgia mooted by the recount.  Assuming the GA recount doesn't affect the result, taking Michigan and PA off the table would bring Biden down to 270 - i.e. he still wins.  So as of now there is no legal path that bars Biden even assuming total victory in the Michigan and Penn cases.  Which is a very big assumption given that the MI case was basically DOA when filed and the hot mess of the Penn case could be failing right now in court.

Lawsuit was dropped in MI but Trump has asked to meet the Republican legislature tonight.

[Admiral Yi]

Good chance they will decline the meeting.

[Barrister]

Good chance they will decline the meeting.

It's the House Speaker and the State Senate Majority leader, and they both said they're going.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-invites-michigan-gop-white-house-6ab95edd3373ecc9607381175d6f3328

[11B4V]

Shady shit.

[garbon]

You people are missing Valmys point. It doesn't matter that the defund crowd doesn't have the power to do anything, they still scared off enough voters that there was no blue wave.

It is amazing how the right can always find cover for their votes.

[PJL]

A novel solution would be to join the Republican party and move it back to the centre. Perhaps the Democratic party should just disband itself and join the Republican party en mass. It would also effectively internalise the divisions between the parties, within the ruling party.

Oddly, it would not be all that different from how it was at the start.

[Razgovory]

You people are missing Valmys point. It doesn't matter that the defund crowd doesn't have the power to do anything, they still scared off enough voters that there was no blue wave.

It doesn't matter what Democrats say because Republicans will claim that Democrats said whatever the Republicans need them to have said.  Appeals to moderation are ineffective when the other side is delusional.

The Left: We want to defund the police!

The Right: Democrats rape children and eat their blood.

The Left: We don't want to defund the police, we just want to redirect them.

The Right: Democrats rape children and eat their blood.

The Left: Okay, we don't want to do anything with law enforcement.  Police can do whatever the fuck they want.

The Right: Democrats rape children and eat their blood.

[viper37]

You people are missing Valmys point. It doesn't matter that the defund crowd doesn't have the power to do anything, they still scared off enough voters that there was no blue wave.

It doesn't matter what Democrats say because Republicans will claim that Democrats said whatever the Republicans need them to have said.  Appeals to moderation are ineffective when the other side is delusional.

The Left: We want to defund the police!

The Right: Democrats rape children and eat their blood.

The Left: We don't want to defund the police, we just want to redirect them.

The Right: Democrats rape children and eat their blood.

The Left: Okay, we don't want to do anything with law enforcement.  Police can do whatever the fuck they want.

The Right: Democrats rape children and eat their blood.

the left did say they want to defund the police, and then the NYT gave them a fig leaf by saying it actually meant redirecting funds to social services resources more appropriate to deal with some issues (like mentally ill people in crisis) they came back saying "no we actually mean defund the police!".

They have only themselves to blame for the fiasco of this election, again, just like the previous one in 2016.

[Razgovory]

  I don't think you understood my point.

[Admiral Yi]

I don't think you understood my point.

I understood your point and it's not true, at least in this case.  Protesters said defund the police and Republicans said "they want to defund the police!"  AOC proposed a Green New Deal and Republicans said "they want a Green New Deal!"

[Oexmelin]

Or rather:

"Defund the police": OMG ANARCHY
"Green New Deal": OMG COMMUNISM

Moderates: the esteemed members of the fascist party have a point.

[Admiral Yi]

Or rather:

"Defund the police": OMG ANARCHY
"Green New Deal": OMG COMMUNISM

Moderates: the esteemed members of the fascist party have a point.

They must have run different attack ads in Missouri than they did in Iowa.

[Razgovory]

I don't think you understood my point.

I understood your point and it's not true, at least in this case.  Protesters said defund the police and Republicans said "they want to defund the police!"  AOC proposed a Green New Deal and Republicans said "they want a Green New Deal!"

And Biden said neither, and explicitly said he did not back either position, yet the Republican attacks on him didn't take that into consideration.  It certainly didn't dissuade Republicans from claiming he raped children and ate their blood, a lie that half of Republicans believe.

What position on policing would rebut the child rape and blood eating claims?

[DGuller]

Or rather:

"Defund the police": OMG ANARCHY
"Green New Deal": OMG COMMUNISM

Moderates: the esteemed members of the fascist party have a point.

I'm sure at least some moderates are smart enough to see the problem with "defund the police" even before fascists point it out.

[Admiral Yi]

It certainly didn't dissuade Republicans from claiming he raped children and ate their blood, a lie that half of Republicans believe.

By any chance do you have a cite for this startling claim?