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Started by Syt, January 18, 2020, 09:36:09 AM

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DGuller

I was out shopping today, for the first time since mask mandate came down on Friday.  In the one supermarket I visited, the sign mandating the mask usage was replaced with the sign saying that masks are no longer mandatory, but that patrons are urged to still wear them to show respect for people who are not comfortable.  That sure makes you feel like an asshole walking around without a mask.  As a result, every single person in the store still wore a mask.  :rolleyes:

Valmy

Yeah the whole mask deal is now getting kind of weird :P

It is part of the reason I said that Governor of Texas removing the mask mandate wouldn't actually change much. Mask etiquette got pretty ingrained over the past year, it is going to take awhile for it to totally go away. Even when you rationally know it is not necessary you still are ready to put one on anyway just to be polite.
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Admiral Yi

I was ready to go bareback the moment I saw the CDC guidelines.  The next step was when I saw stores changing their signs to only unvaccinated customers should wear masks.

DGuller

I was ready as well, but I hesitated to be the only one.  I really don't want to send the MAGA vibe.

Syt

https://www.dw.com/en/virus-variants-in-asia-threaten-the-whole-world/a-57745685

QuoteVirus variants in Asia threaten the whole world

If the coronavirus pandemic continues to spread worldwide, vaccines could become ineffective and strains could escape immunity. The right vaccines need to go to the places where they are needed.

According to genome databases, such as nextstrain.org, there are now more than 1,000 known variants of the  SARS CoV-2 virus.

Up to now, the "variants of concern" have been named after the places where they were first discovered. But in a move to avoid stigmatizing particular countries, the World Health Organization has now introduced a new naming system based on the letters of the Greek alphabet. The UK/Kent, South African, Brazilian and Indian variants will now be given the letters Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta respectively. But the labels will not replace their more complex scientific names.

The new variant discovered in Vietnam appears to be a cross between Alpha (B.1.1.7) and Delta (B.1.617). According to Health Minister Nguyen Thanh Long, the new strain spreads "quickly by air", which could explain the rapid rise in the number of new infections in May.

Up to now, Vietnam had escaped relatively lightly, recording some 3,500 confirmed cases and 47 deaths from the beginning of the pandemic to the start of May 2021. The government successfully contained COVID outbreaks by imposing a brief but strict lockdown and comprehensive quarantine restrictions.

But since May, Vietnam has already recorded more than 3,000 new cases — above all in the provinces of Bac Ninh and Bac Giang, where hundreds of thousands of people work in huge production facilities for international technology enterprises.

Determining the course of the pandemic

One might think that those numbers are still relatively low, but the new variants in Asiaand elsewhere should be of concern to everyone wherever they live. And that is not just because it means that the pandemic will continue to cause more suffering and deprivation worldwide.

In the medium term, the Northern Hemisphere could also be affected again despite extensive vaccination programs. In a globalized world, such variants spread fast. And if these new strains increasingly adapt to their human hosts, then our antibodies — formed either by vaccination or infection — will no longer protect us at some point. The antigen or PCR tests would no longer detect the variants and instead produce false negatives. And the vaccinations available would also gradually stop working.

That makes it vital to identify variants as quickly as possible using genetic sequencing and to ensure that sufficient amounts of the right types of vaccines are available globally and not just in wealthy nations. 

Why is sequencing so important?

Alongside the four apparently most dangerous "variants of concern," there are hybrid strains, such as the one in Vietnam. Some have been around for some time. Yet many of these variants are detected only by chance, as many countries simply do not have the sequencing facilities. 

To be able to fight the virus, we have to able to unlock its genetic code, and that is possible only with genomic sequencing. Next generation sequencing (NGS) methods enable scientists to decode the entire viral genome base by base. Researchers are able to detect minuscule changes in the genetic make-up of the virus by looking at fragments of DNA — and thus determine the origin and the spread pattern of variants. And that is the only way of developing appropriate vaccines.

Different strains and the wrong vaccines

There are many indications that virus variants are primarily responsible for the current outbreaks in various parts of Asia. In Sri Lanka and Cambodia, the Alpha (B.1.1.7) strain is predominant. From what we know at the moment, the mRNA vaccines produced by BioNtech/Pfizer and Moderna are an effective weapon against that variant. And mRNA vaccines can be adapted relatively swiftly. The AstraZeneca vaccine also offers good protection.

In India and further northwest in Nepal, however, the Delta variant (B.1.617) has already spread extensively. Nepal has, as a result, seen a steep rise in the number of recorded COVID-19 cases since mid-April. Nepal has been worse hit than India in proportion to its population size.

Genomic sequencing conducted by the Indian National Institute of Virology has identified eight mutations within the spike protein of the Delta variant (B.1.617). Two of them have been linked to higher rates of transmission and one of them, as with the Gamma variant, has even been associated with immune escape, which enables the pathogens to evade the human immune system.

According to London's Imperial College, the Delta variant is 20% to 80% more transmissible than the Alpha variant. In addition, the virus may be able to evade immunity conferred by previous infections or vaccination. British studies indicate that existing BioNtech/Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines are not as effective when it comes to protecting us from this variant. 

The variant discovered in Vietnam is a hybrid of the Alpha (B.1.1.7) and Delta (B.1.617) variants.  Only 1 million of the 96-million-strong population have been vaccinated — with AstraZeneca, which protects well against the Alpha variant but, as mentioned above, is probably not as effective against the Delta variant. In the second half of the year, Vietnam hopes to receive additional mRNA vaccines from Biontech/Pfizer and Moderna. So far, however, it has not been investigated how any existing vaccines cope with the variant discovered in Vietnam.

In Bangladesh, by contrast, the Beta variant (B.1.351) has sparked a rapid rise in cases. AstraZeneca has been reported as offering "minimal" protection against this strain. This is a big problem, as the main vaccine available in Bangladesh is Covishield, the name for AstraZeneca manufactured in India.

Unfair global distribution of vaccines

While many industrialized nations aim to have vaccinated the majority of their adult population by late summer, many poorer Asian, African or Latin American countries have not even been able to launch their vaccination campaigns.

According to a recent study in the medical journal The Lancet, the world's richest countries have secured some 70% of supplies of the five top COVID vaccines despite having less than 16% of the globe's population. According to the WHO, only 0.2% of the population in poorer countries have been vaccinated against SARS-COV2. The Economist estimates that mass vaccinations will not start there until 2024 at the earliest, if programs continue at this pace.

The initiative COVAX, co-organized by the WHO, is meant to work toward more equitable access to COVID-19 vaccines. But from the outset, richer countries have signed simultaneous bilateral contracts with several vaccine manufacturers and — apart from a few generous donations — swept the market clean.

"The pandemic is far from over," WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has warned. He has vehemently criticized the huge inequality in the distribution of vaccines between poor and rich countries.

But if the coronavirus variants continue to spread as rapidly as they are and to adapt to their human hosts, that inequality could come home to roost for wealthier nations.

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Zoupa

Quote from: Syt on May 31, 2021, 02:58:00 AM
Yes, but they do have a conservative bend. https://babylonbee.com/news?sort=trending

Yikes. Some of those headlines gave me a chuckle, but most were pretty awful/cringy.

Caliga

Quote from: DGuller on June 02, 2021, 12:41:06 AM
I was ready as well, but I hesitated to be the only one.  I really don't want to send the MAGA vibe.
I feel the same way.  I worry if people see me without a mask, they will assume since I'm a white guy I must love Trump. :ph34r:
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: DGuller on June 02, 2021, 12:41:06 AM
I was ready as well, but I hesitated to be the only one.  I really don't want to send the MAGA vibe.

I hear ya.  But the CDC is the anti-Trump.  It's like the chief Rabbi vouching for you not being a Nazi.

Sheilbh

Updated Public Health England stats on take-up of the vaccines in England - and it is great news :w00t:
QuoteAs of yesterday, in England the following in each age group have had at least 1 vaccine dose:

16-29 22%
30-34 49%
35-39 68%
40-44 84%
45-49 83%
50-54 91%
55-59 97%
60-64 99%
65-69 95%
70-74 98%
75-79 100%
80+ 97%

And for second doses:
QuoteAs of yesterday, in England the following in each age group have had both vaccine doses:

16-29 12%
30-34 19%
35-39 22%
40-44 29%
45-49 34%
50-54 57%
55-59 66%
60-64 86%
65-69 90%
70-74 95%
75-79 100%
80+ 93%

The lower numbers are groups who have not had so long to get their vaccine but it feels like there's no reason we can't get over 90% across all eligible age groups. This is a bit like Syt's comment on the Austria roll-out going slower because of more people wanting the vaccine. I've always been an optimist about UK up-take - I think the public health messaging has been great, the outreach to communities and work to reduce vaccine hesitancy has been solid and that there's far fewer anti-vaxxers here than in the US - but I'm surprised we're at these sort of levels.
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Barrister

#14739
Anheuser-Busch to give all Americans free beer if/when the country hits 70% adult vaccination. :lol:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/02/business/free-beer-covid-vaccinations.html

(In reality, you get a $5 virtual credit card to be used towards beer, seltzer or non-alcoholic beverage)

On the one hand I could be smug and say that in Canada we won't need any such incentives to get to 70% (we're already at 63.4% in Alberta)

But on the other hand, I'm not getting free beer. :(
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Valmy

I guess I could get a shock top if my fellow citizens will step up and get vaccines.
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garbon

Quote from: Barrister on June 02, 2021, 03:19:15 PM
Anheuser-Busch to give all Americans free beer if/when the country hits 70% adult vaccination. :lol:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/02/business/free-beer-covid-vaccinations.html

(In reality, you get a $5 virtual credit card to be used towards beer, seltzer or non-alcoholic beverage)

On the one hand I could be smug and say that in Canada we won't need any such incentives to get to 70% (we're already at 63.4%)

But on the other hand, I'm not getting free beer. :(

I'm not sure a business jumping in is evidence of that either.

Besides America has already been indicted by its need to enter vaccinated individuals into state lotteries...
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viper37

Quote from: Syt on June 02, 2021, 01:27:33 AM
https://www.dw.com/en/virus-variants-in-asia-threaten-the-whole-world/a-57745685

QuoteVirus variants in Asia threaten the whole world

If the coronavirus pandemic continues to spread worldwide, vaccines could become ineffective and strains could escape immunity. The right vaccines need to go to the places where they are needed.
[...]
So far, however, it has not been investigated how any existing vaccines cope with the variant discovered in Vietnam.
[...]

See, this is where I have a problem.  If we don't know how effective the vaccine is against a specific variant, why should we send the vaccines we have over there?  Better to wait a little longer to get proper results and, if need be, adjust the vaccines we have.

Besides, we were told earlier the vaccines we had would not be effective against the UK strain.  It turns out it was.  Then we were told the South Africa variant would defeat the vaccine.  That was an error.  So came the Brazil variant, same thing.  Don't know about the Indian variant yet.  I figure the vaccines will be effective against that too.

To undress Peter so we can dress Paul is not a solution.

Helping these countries to properly test&trace, sure.  Helping them with genomic sequencing, again, sure.  But giving them our vaccine supply while we extend our lockdowns?  Nope.  That would even be counter productive.  We have the production capacities for the vaccines.  What we need is ramp up vaccine production here to ship it over there and the best way to do that is to end the lockdowns and social distancing policies so pharma companies can work at 100% capacity again and increase their exports.
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Admiral Yi

Watched a CNBC interview with Dr. Gottlieb, former head of Food & Drug, and he said the preliminary results are existing vaccines are c. 85% effective against the variants.

Tamas

The Guardian is making a big deal out of number of positive tests in England have risen by 22% despite lower overall test numbers, but they don't seem to mention number of hospitalisations, which I think is the only relevant data at this stage.

Of course number of cases is going to rise with the easing of lockdown (and the spread of the India variant), that number is bound to absolutely skyrocket once all restrictions are lifted, what I want to know and I think what everyone should care about is how many of those cases end up in hospital.