Coronavirus Sars-CoV-2/Covid-19 Megathread

[merithyn]

I wonder if it would make sense to draft low risk people to be infected right now, all at the same time?  They'll do their 14 days in isolation and then take themselves out of the pool of potential super-spreaders.

I am looking at my hospital census right now and I see quite a few 20-50 year olds who are intubated in the ICU with COVID-19. Just because you're unlikely to die doesn't mean you can't get extremely sick.

That's good to know. Thank you.

[Admiral Yi]

should they be able to pay their rent or mortgage and keep their vehicles insured and running as well?

No.  I want people evicted, as long as the lights are still on.

Silly goose.

[alfred russel]

We call that Canada

The minimum wage in the US is $7.25 an hour (of course many states and localities have much higher rates, but that is the lowest). In Canada the rate is about C$11.40 an hour, or $7.98 an hour in USD at the current exchange rate of $0.70/CAD.

Yeah you guys are higher, but the difference isn't that big. It may seem bigger because you guys have a higher rate despite being an overall poorer country.

[fromtia]

should they be able to pay their rent or mortgage and keep their vehicles insured and running as well?

No.  I want people evicted, as long as the lights are still on.

Silly goose.

ah I see.

[Grey Fox]

We call that Canada

The minimum wage in the US is $7.25 an hour (of course many states and localities have much higher rates, but that is the lowest). In Canada the rate is about C$11.40 an hour, or $7.98 an hour in USD at the current exchange rate of $0.70/CAD.

Yeah you guys are higher, but the difference isn't that big. It may seem bigger because you guys have a higher rate despite being an overall poorer country.

It depends, we have a Federal min wage but also provincial ones. Ontario is 14$, BC is  13.85$, Quebec is 12.50$, Alberta is 15$.

[Zoupa]

I like how ar zeroed in on the least relevant comparator and ignored the rest 

[Eddie Teach]

That was the point that needed correction.

[garbon]

We call that Canada

The minimum wage in the US is $7.25 an hour (of course many states and localities have much higher rates, but that is the lowest). In Canada the rate is about C$11.40 an hour, or $7.98 an hour in USD at the current exchange rate of $0.70/CAD.

Yeah you guys are higher, but the difference isn't that big. It may seem bigger because you guys have a higher rate despite being an overall poorer country.

It depends, we have a Federal min wage but also provincial ones. Ontario is 14$, BC is  13.85$, Quebec is 12.50$, Alberta is 15$.

Irrelevant to the larger point but the US also has federal minimum wage and state ones. We've also city based ones.

[Admiral Yi]

"We've also?"

You're going Madonna Grab On.

[Fate]

I wonder if it would make sense to draft low risk people to be infected right now, all at the same time?  They'll do their 14 days in isolation and then take themselves out of the pool of potential super-spreaders.

I am looking at my hospital census right now and I see quite a few 20-50 year olds who are intubated in the ICU with COVID-19. Just because you're unlikely to die doesn't mean you can't get extremely sick.

That's good to know. Thank you.

Less anecdotal, might help convince any young people you know to be careful. Death is rare, but hospitalization rates are 14%. This data is only current to mid March and likely understates the case as we go deeper into the outbreak.

[Razgovory]

It is like war time conscription, because we are in a national emergency.  If you wish to increase the minimum wage while this is going on, I'm cool with it.

Then it's only fair we all be subject to the draft.  Everyone takes a week working in a grocery store.

So is that a "no" on the increased minimum wage?

[Eddie Teach]

"We've also?"

You're going Madonna Grab On.

I think he was still talking about US.

[Admiral Yi]

It is like war time conscription, because we are in a national emergency.  If you wish to increase the minimum wage while this is going on, I'm cool with it.

Then it's only fair we all be subject to the draft.  Everyone takes a week working in a grocery store.

So is that a "no" on the increased minimum wage?

I don't dispute that you're cool with that.

[alfred russel]

Less anecdotal, might help convince any young people you know to be careful. Death is rare, but hospitalization rates are 14%. This data is only current to mid March and likely understates the case as we go deeper into the outbreak.

Why do you think that the data understates the case? The cruise ship data indicated that something like half the positive results were asymptomatic. If that is the case, you can divide the numbers by 2. Also, testing has been limited, and disproportionately provided to the more seriously ill. That will also make the rates go higher.

Mortality would theoretically go higher as we get deeper into the crisis, but the other numbers should go down as well, as hospital beds and ventilators become more scarce resources and marginal cases get sent home or there aren't ventilators available.

[Fate]

Less anecdotal, might help convince any young people you know to be careful. Death is rare, but hospitalization rates are 14%. This data is only current to mid March and likely understates the case as we go deeper into the outbreak.

Why do you think that the data understates the case? The cruise ship data indicated that something like half the positive results were asymptomatic. If that is the case, you can divide the numbers by 2. Also, testing has been limited, and disproportionately provided to the more seriously ill. That will also make the rates go higher.

Mortality would theoretically go higher as we get deeper into the crisis, but the other numbers should go down as well, as hospital beds and ventilators become more scarce resources and marginal cases get sent home or there aren't ventilators available.

Mainly because the data in Italy are worse and I don't see places like NYC avoiding that fate. In Lombardia the case fatality rate is 13.8%, 30% of all cases require hospitalization, and the ICUs (even with expansion) are totally saturated.

Even if you quibble with the rates, let's say 7% of all young people need hospitalization. If 30% of the USA gets COVID-19 in the first yearly outbreak season, 7% of 20-45 people (who comprise ~30% of the total population) get hospitalized, then that alone is 2 million needing hospitalization and ~293k need ICU level care/ventilation. Stay home.