The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

[Grey Fox]

It's neither of you.

[Eddie Teach]

Ancient Demon maybe? Or Chipwich.

[Razgovory]

So, there are now tapes of Trump giving orders to those weird little Russian guys that Trump denies knowing.

[11B4V]

Of course there is, but it won't matter.

[Sheilbh]

I don't know what the Democratic party will become.

They don't either.

Yeah. I've no idea for the Democrats.

I was listening to a podcast on the history of the politics of abortion which was fascinating. And they were saying it was useful because of how it showed how contingent these very fixed political trenches and views are. They didn't think there could be a great switcheroo of parties and positions like - as they argued - occurred in roughly 72 to 82. But part of me wonders if we're at the start of a similar era of big tectonic shifts and, in twenty years time, we'll look back in disbelief that it was ever any other way.

[Tonitrus]

Ugh...even if the impeachment wasn't DoA, Schiff is such an ineloquent dope that his closing arguments could kill a plausible case.

[jimmy olsen]

Ugh...even if the impeachment wasn't DoA, Schiff is such an ineloquent dope that his closing arguments could kill a plausible case.

Everyone's been praising his performance, even GOP partisans who are absolutely going to vote to acquit.

[Razgovory]

He seemed okay to me.

[Eddie Teach]

Ugh...even if the impeachment wasn't DoA, Schiff is such an ineloquent dope that his closing arguments could kill a plausible case.

Everyone's been praising his performance, even GOP partisans who are absolutely going to vote to acquit.

Not sure why Tonitrus expects excitement from a Senate hearing.

[Valmy]

Look we are just going through the motions in this Senate hearing. We are just getting all the shit Trump did in the record and sounding the alarm about his abuse of power. We know this is going nowhere as far as convicting him.

[Zoupa]

And yet Trump's approval is at 43.1% today. It has not moved the needle at all.

I guess Hillary was right about the basket of deplorables.

[FunkMonk]

In some sense the court of public opinion has already judged Donald Trump's impeachment. That's part of his persona. Everyone has a strong opinion of him. No one cares about the Senate trial and no one is watching the Senate trial because everyone already has formed their own verdict, and everyone knows this Senate won't vote to convict.

The real trial is in November.

[crazy canuck]

In some sense the court of public opinion has already judged Donald Trump's impeachment. That's part of his persona. Everyone has a strong opinion of him. No one cares about the Senate trial and no one is watching the Senate trial because everyone already has formed their own verdict, and everyone knows this Senate won't vote to convict.

The real trial is in November.

Its a good point.  And especially since there will be no evidence.  It is all just argument, opinion and political judgments.

[Josephus]

Really though, Bernie Saunders as the Democratic candidate is about the only way Trump gets re-elected.

Trump will likely get re-elected no matter what.

[The Minsky Moment]

Its a good point.  And especially since there will be no evidence.  It is all just argument, opinion and political judgments.

There is an enormous amount of evidence. The House filed their trial record yesterday. 

The irony is that only evidence that is missing is the evidence that in theory could establish Trump's defense.  I.e. the only defense that could conceivably exist is that Mulvaney and his OMB deputies went completely rogue and ordered impoundment of funds on their own initiative without Presidential authorization.  Of course that didn't happen which is why we are the Alice in Wonderland position of the prosecution demanding the evidence about Trump's defense, while the defense seeks desparately to hide the only evidence that could conceivably substantiate their position.