Notre-Dame cathedral burning in Paris

[garbon]

I like how racist actions are only US concepts.

[Valmy]

I like how racist actions are only US concepts.

Or ethnic or religious based nationalism. I certainly wish those were only US concepts.

[Duque de Bragança]

I like how racist actions are only US concepts.

Or ethnic or religious based nationalism. I certainly wish those were only US concepts.

My point was that Blackface, specifically the current obsession about it and Identity politics were US concepts, from the US PC left.
Nice strawmen by the both of you though!

[The Brain]

I like how racist actions are only US concepts.

Or ethnic or religious based nationalism. I certainly wish those were only US concepts.

Wilson's obsession with ethnic purity didn't exactly help Europe.

[Valmy]

I like how racist actions are only US concepts.

Or ethnic or religious based nationalism. I certainly wish those were only US concepts.

My point was that Blackface, specifically the current obsession about it and Identity politics were US concepts, from the US PC left.
Nice strawmen by the both of you though!

Ok that is true. I frequently see terminology used that really doesn't work outside of a US context.

But identity politics is just a form of nationalism and Europe has been all over that for a long time.

[Valmy]

I like how racist actions are only US concepts.

Or ethnic or religious based nationalism. I certainly wish those were only US concepts.

Wilson's obsession with ethnic purity didn't exactly help Europe.

No argument from me.

[Duque de Bragança]

I like how racist actions are only US concepts.

Or ethnic or religious based nationalism. I certainly wish those were only US concepts.

My point was that Blackface, specifically the current obsession about it and Identity politics were US concepts, from the US PC left.
Nice strawmen by the both of you though!

Ok that is true. I frequently see terminology used that really doesn't work outside of a US context.

But identity politics is just a form of nationalism and Europe has been all over that for a long time.

In Central and Eastern Europe maybe. In post-national Western Europe not so, with self-hatred or ethno-masochism still permeating politics.

[garbon]

I like how racist actions are only US concepts.

Or ethnic or religious based nationalism. I certainly wish those were only US concepts.

My point was that Blackface, specifically the current obsession about it and Identity politics were US concepts, from the US PC left.
Nice strawmen by the both of you though!

Ok that is true. I frequently see terminology used that really doesn't work outside of a US context.

But identity politics is just a form of nationalism and Europe has been all over that for a long time.

In Central and Eastern Europe maybe. In post-national Western Europe not so, with self-hatred or ethno-masochism still permeating politics.

So we are talking some time period between what the 60s-90s (at push 00s) as the period where Europe wasn't 'all over' nationalism?

[Duque de Bragança]

Your knowledge of Nationalism in Europe is second only to your knowledge of wines.

[garbon]

[Zoupa]

  A la fin de l'envoi, il touche

[dps]

I like how racist actions are only US concepts.

Or ethnic or religious based nationalism. I certainly wish those were only US concepts.

My point was that Blackface, specifically the current obsession about it and Identity politics were US concepts, from the US PC left.
Nice strawmen by the both of you though!

I'm neither PC nor on the left, and even I see a problem with blackface.  If I were a black man, I don't think I'd be less bothered by a white guy in blackface if the white guy happened to be a Frenchman in France, even if I were myself French.

[Duque de Bragança]

Except that the PC left sees blackface everywhere, there was not even blackface in the Aeschylus play (The Suppliants) the activists prevented from being played, just some colour masks. However, a rehearsal photo showed an actor with some brown make-up hence triggering the outrage professionals.

https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/Eschyle-et-le-Blackface

En l'occurrence c'est l'image d'une répétition affichée sur le site de la Sorbonne qui a déclenché la tempête. Pour cette pièce qui avait été jouée l'année dernière, provoquant déjà quelques remous, le metteur en scène Philippe Brunet a voulu marquer l'opposition entre les grecs d'Argos supposés plus ou moins blancs et les Danaïdes d'Égypte à la peau plus noire. Dans la tradition du théâtre antique, il a symbolisé cette distinction d'ethnies géographiques et non pas raciales avec des masques. Mais lors de la répétition, et sur la photo diffusée par la Sorbonne, c'est une comédienne blanche recouverte d'une peinture cuivrée qui apparaît. À partir de là, la discussion s'arrête.

This is what they censored in the name of anti-racism:


Post-modern treatment of a classic? Maybe, but that's not reason to censor it by bullying the actors.

So not D.W Griffith's Birth of a Nation.

Lastly, those French-speaking activists use actually the English word which shows how much their outrage is fake since imported from the US. Le grimage (French word) has no such history in France. It's simply old-fashioned and has fallen in disuse.

[viper37]

A la fin de l'envoi, il touche

I always loved Cyrano

[viper37]

I like how racist actions are only US concepts.

Or ethnic or religious based nationalism. I certainly wish those were only US concepts.

My point was that Blackface, specifically the current obsession about it and Identity politics were US concepts, from the US PC left.
Nice strawmen by the both of you though!

I'm neither PC nor on the left, and even I see a problem with blackface.  If I were a black man, I don't think I'd be less bothered by a white guy in blackface if the white guy happened to be a Frenchman in France, even if I were myself French.

Well, what I find silly is the insistance on reinventing every historical or existing fictional character as black or gay.  That gets really annoying.  Just because the opposite has been done in the past, does not mean it's "super great" now to blacken characters.  But, frankly, if you want to make a movie about a black transexual Alexander the Great, I'd likely not watch it, as opposed to send death threats to the producers.