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Started by Barrister, March 08, 2019, 01:55:12 PM

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Razgovory

#30
March 08, 2019, 04:34:31 PM
I'm not so keen on automatically believing accusations against a person who 1) dead and 2) already been acquitted on similar charges.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Barrister

#31
March 08, 2019, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 08, 2019, 04:34:31 PM
I'm not so keen on automatically believing accusations against a person who 1) dead and 2) already been acquitted on similar charges.

In coming to a personal opinion, I don't put much weight on 'acquitted at trial'.  After all, OJ was acquitted at trial.

I haven't seen the documentary in question, but apparently it is quite powerful.  MJ also paid off at least one other kid to stave off such allegations.
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The Minsky Moment

#32
March 08, 2019, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2019, 02:34:20 PM
How much more proof do you need than the detailed statements of two of Jackson's victims?

It's a little more tricky then that because both witnesses gave sworn statements in the 1990s contradicting their claims now, and one of them gave another statement a decade ago.

Both were minors when they made the 90s vintage statements and it is not unreasonable to think they were coerced in some way. I personally find the allegations credible but is not beyond any shadow of a doubt.
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Monoriu

#33
March 08, 2019, 06:06:35 PM
Nothing, he is dead.  One can be a horrible person and a criminal, and a good musician at the same time. 

katmai

#34
March 08, 2019, 06:29:04 PM
All I know is makes it kinda icky to hear PYT from him anymore.
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garbon

#35
March 08, 2019, 07:10:16 PM
I put him aside long ago.
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Admiral Yi

#36
March 08, 2019, 07:27:17 PM
It's a somewhat different case, but I still watch Kevin Spacey movies, and would watch more if he made them.

Not really an MJ fan, so not much is going to change for me.  There is a difference between listening to a song (or watching a movie) by yourself, and doing it as a public act.  For example I've stopped singing Sweet Home Alabama at karaoke because of the politics.

Razgovory

#37
March 08, 2019, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2019, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 08, 2019, 04:34:31 PM
I'm not so keen on automatically believing accusations against a person who 1) dead and 2) already been acquitted on similar charges.

In coming to a personal opinion, I don't put much weight on 'acquitted at trial'.


Yeah, we know.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

#38
March 08, 2019, 08:28:21 PM
If they weren't guilty, the prosecutor wouldn't have pursued the case, amirite?
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viper37

#39
March 08, 2019, 10:21:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2019, 03:35:04 PM
but surely helping to save democracy
to many, that's what they hate.
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viper37

#40
March 08, 2019, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 08, 2019, 07:27:17 PM
Sweet Home Alabam
My favorite song.  :)
In Starcraft II ;)
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

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Duque de Bragança

#41
March 09, 2019, 07:37:25 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 08, 2019, 03:02:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2019, 02:55:25 PM
triggering

Oh ffs.

Coming from a self-proclaimed conservative! That's rich, indeed!  :lol:
Who's next btw for the next auto-da-fé? Polanski? Make sure to burn the 35 mm original camera negatives too.

Threviel

#42
March 09, 2019, 07:41:54 AM
Polanski is a good comparison. IIRC sentenced in a civil court for a brutal rape of a 13 year old and lauded in cultural sectors for his movies for a long time. It's quite hypocritical if he is tolerated and Jackson, with less proof, is damned.

The Brain

#43
March 09, 2019, 09:11:00 AM
I already brought up Polanski.
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Duque de Bragança

#44
March 09, 2019, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: The Brain on March 09, 2019, 09:11:00 AM
I already brought up Polanski.

You did a bad job then. Chinatown notwithstanding.
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