Elon Musk: Always A Douche

[HisMajestyBOB]

I also agree Elon should leave NATO and the UN.

[Richard Hakluyt]

... and take his ketamine with him.

[Valmy]

Let's make ourselves as diplomatically isolated as possible. Brilliant.

And this is a guy whose business is spread out throughout the world.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Let's make ourselves as diplomatically isolated as possible. Brilliant.

And this is a guy whose business is spread out throughout the world.

He's playing a different game now, no longer a businessman.

[Grey Fox]

Let's make ourselves as diplomatically isolated as possible. Brilliant.

And this is a guy whose business is spread out throughout the world.

It's all about taking rights away from Americans so you are captured to his and the other Oligarchs companies and work conditions. Like Trump has mentioned a return to the Gilded age.

A sort of regulatory capture of the American populace.

[Sheilbh]

It's all about taking rights away from Americans so you are captured to his and the other Oligarchs companies and work conditions. Like Trump has mentioned a return to the Gilded age.

A sort of regulatory capture of the American populace.

And of course the Gilded Age was also a period when America asserted imperialist dominance over the Western hemisphere (including the first attempt to buy Greenland and the orchestrated separation of Panama for Colombia to build a canal) and in Asia while very strongly desiring to stay out of the old world's politics and world order.

[Syt]

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tells-joe-rogan-hes-not-a-nazi-2025-2

Elon Musk says he's not a Nazi and that the online hate he's been receiving is "pretty stressful."

In a three-hour episode of Joe Rogan's podcast on Friday, Rogan and Musk discussed a recent incident that fueled accusations that the billionaire SpaceX and Tesla CEO made a Nazi gesture.

While speaking to the crowd at President Donald Trump's inauguration celebration in January, Musk made a gesture that caused many to question whether it was intended to be a fascist salute.

For example, the former vice president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany Michel Friedman, told a German outlet that Musk's action was a disgrace and, in his opinion, very clearly a "Heil Hitler" salute, The Guardian reported. US Rep. Jerry Nadler also condemned the gesture in a post on X, several Jewish organizations spoke out against it, and Jewish human rights group the Simon Wiesenthal Center urged Musk to clarify his intentions.

Meanwhile, The Anti-Defamation League argued in a post on X that it was "awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute."

Social media sites including Musk-owned X have since been swarmed with users accusing the billionaire of condoning Nazism.

In response to the controversy, Musk wrote on X at the time, "Don't say Hess to Nazi accusations! Some people will Goebbels anything down! Stop Gőring your enemies! His pronouns would've been He/Himmler! Bet you did nazi that coming," turning the names of prominent Nazis into puns, followed by a crying-laughing emoji.

On Friday, Musk told Rogan that the persistent criticisms are "ridiculous," and that the gesture was not a Nazi salute, joking, "Now I can never point at things diagonally."

"Hopefully people realize I'm not a Nazi. Just to be clear, I'm not a Nazi," Musk said, laughing.

Musk then argued that if you're not committing genocide, then you can't be called a Nazi.

"What's relevant about Nazis is like, are you invading Poland? And if you're not invading Poland, maybe you're not" a Nazi, he said. "You have to be committing genocide and starting wars. "

"What is actually bad about Nazis — it wasn't their fashion or their mannerisms, it was the war and genocide," he added.

At another point in the episode, Rogan asked the billionaire how he personally deals with hate and attacks against him.

"It's pretty stressful," Musk answered, taking a much more serious tone. "They actually want to kill me. They say so online. There's like Reddit forums where they don't just want to kill me, they want to desecrate my corpse."

It's not just Musk's arm gestures that have led critics to debate whether he supports Nazi ideologies. The frontman of the White House DOGE office has also supported Germany's far-right political party, the Alternative for Germany party, which is fiercely nationalistic and anti-immigration. Leaders of the AfD party have repurposed Nazi slogans, urged Germany to stop apologizing for its past crimes, and said the Nazis are just a "speck of bird poop" in Germany's long, successful history.

Musk did not respond to BI's request for comment.

[Valmy]

Yeah the Nazis were doing everything great before 1939 Elon.

He isn't a fascist, he just can't stop saying how good fascism is.

[HVC]

I'm not a nazi, but if I were I'd be the good kind of nazi.

[Grey Fox]

No need to be a Nazi when you are a White South African. It's built-in.

[HVC]

I mean not ALL white south Africans are evil.

[Sheilbh]

I'm also not convinced in the current moment that it's wise to suggest there's some innate, inheritable, essentialist politics derived from an individual's ethnic and national background even after they've become a citizen...

Although FWIW I think the interesting point on that part of Musk's past and his politics (not an original idea in any way) is actually that he grew up in 80s South Africa. He left in 1989 to avoid conscription, which I sympathise with. But that's a time when everything is open politically - the future was really unknown and unknowable (I often wonder if there's a similar perspective with Eastern Europeans of a similar generation). So the idea of a fixed constitutional or political order that you work in, which most of us grew up with did not exist. I think that does have an impact on Musk.

[Tamas]

I'm also not convinced in the current moment that it's wise to suggest there's some innate, inheritable, essentialist politics derived from an individual's ethnic and national background even after they've become a citizen...

Although FWIW I think the interesting point on that part of Musk's past and his politics (not an original idea in any way) is actually that he grew up in 80s South Africa. He left in 1989 to avoid conscription, which I sympathise with. But that's a time when everything is open politically - the future was really unknown and unknowable (I often wonder if there's a similar perspective with Eastern Europeans of a similar generation). So the idea of a fixed constitutional or political order that you work in, which most of us grew up with did not exist. I think that does have an impact on Musk.

Yes the apartheid, his family probably liked being part of the aristocracy, collapsed leaving his privileged future uncertain.

I am not sure I am interested in getting to the bottom of why exactly he is a fucked up nazi insane piece of shit though.

[The Brain]

Musk is obviously a Nazi. I don't know if he's a True Believer or not, and it doesn't matter. How many of the Nazi Old Guard were True Believers, and how many were opportunists smelling a power trip, or edgelords looking to shock, or lost boys looking for Daddy?

[Zoupa]

What's really important though is whether he's an engineer and how much of an impact he made at Tesla and SpaceX. We don't want to fall prey to groupthink.