Agreement for Nabucco Pipeline signed - gas route without Russia.

Started by Syt, July 13, 2009, 11:42:21 AM

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Queequeg

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 13, 2009, 05:21:53 PM

The funny part is that one obvious country that could be a major supplier of gas through Nabucco is  . . . Iran.  Kinda puts the problems with the Russians in perspective.
If Europe had a coherent, unified, intelligent foreign policy they would be able to play the two (or eventually three, including Central Asia and the Caucasus as semi-independent players) against eachother.  Instead, they're a bunch of bickering tiny states with half of them run by Gazprom stooges. 
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Quote from: Queequeg on July 13, 2009, 08:37:14 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 13, 2009, 05:21:53 PM

The funny part is that one obvious country that could be a major supplier of gas through Nabucco is  . . . Iran.  Kinda puts the problems with the Russians in perspective.
If Europe had a coherent, unified, intelligent foreign policy they would be able to play the two (or eventually three, including Central Asia and the Caucasus as semi-independent players) against eachother.  Instead, they're a bunch of bickering tiny states with half of them run by Gazprom stooges.
And that's why Europe will never have a common foreign policy.  Every government in Europe is utterly corrupt.
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Syt

Quote from: derspiess on July 13, 2009, 11:56:08 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 13, 2009, 11:42:21 AM
Gas from Azerbaijan's Shah Deniz 2 field will be a crucial component of the project. European officials have raised hopes that other gas producers, such as Iraq and Turkmenistan, also might contribute to the pipeline.

So then Russia will probably invade Azerbaijan by 2013.

Yeah, because Russian interference with nationalist Muslims has worked so well in the past.
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Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Queequeg on July 13, 2009, 08:37:14 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 13, 2009, 05:21:53 PM

The funny part is that one obvious country that could be a major supplier of gas through Nabucco is  . . . Iran.  Kinda puts the problems with the Russians in perspective.
If Europe had a coherent, unified, intelligent foreign policy they would be able to play the two (or eventually three, including Central Asia and the Caucasus as semi-independent players) against eachother.  Instead, they're a bunch of bickering tiny states with half of them run by Gazprom stooges.
would only be possible if the nationsare broken, and with the british desease on the rise and now infecting even germany it's not going to happen anytime soon.

citizen k

Quote from: Syt on July 14, 2009, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 13, 2009, 11:56:08 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 13, 2009, 11:42:21 AM
Gas from Azerbaijan's Shah Deniz 2 field will be a crucial component of the project. European officials have raised hopes that other gas producers, such as Iraq and Turkmenistan, also might contribute to the pipeline.

So then Russia will probably invade Azerbaijan by 2013.

Yeah, because Russian interference with nationalist Muslims has worked so well in the past.
Well, Chechnya has been sufficiently cowed.


Martinus

Quote from: citizen k on July 14, 2009, 01:18:31 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 14, 2009, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 13, 2009, 11:56:08 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 13, 2009, 11:42:21 AM
Gas from Azerbaijan's Shah Deniz 2 field will be a crucial component of the project. European officials have raised hopes that other gas producers, such as Iraq and Turkmenistan, also might contribute to the pipeline.

So then Russia will probably invade Azerbaijan by 2013.

Yeah, because Russian interference with nationalist Muslims has worked so well in the past.
Well, Chechnya has been sufficiently cowed.
Chechnya is a former Soviet Republic. Apples and oranges.

Tamas


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Tamas

Quote from: The Brain on July 14, 2009, 03:20:14 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 14, 2009, 03:16:42 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 14, 2009, 02:38:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 14, 2009, 01:44:38 AM
And what Azerbajian is?

Know I not. Tell us you must.


Part of Union Soviet. It was.

Are you a Communist, son?

Nope, it's just that Marty implied that Chechnya's reconquista by the Russians could not happen with Azerbaijan because Chechens were part of the SU. Azeris were, as well, so yes, they will get stomped if this Nabucco thing ever turns out to be a realistic project.

The Brain

Quote from: Tamas on July 14, 2009, 03:25:50 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 14, 2009, 03:20:14 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 14, 2009, 03:16:42 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 14, 2009, 02:38:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 14, 2009, 01:44:38 AM
And what Azerbajian is?

Know I not. Tell us you must.


Part of Union Soviet. It was.

Are you a Communist, son?

Nope, it's just that Marty implied that Chechnya's reconquista by the Russians could not happen with Azerbaijan because Chechens were part of the SU. Azeris were, as well, so yes, they will get stomped if this Nabucco thing ever turns out to be a realistic project.

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Razgovory

Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2009, 01:40:05 AM
Chechnya is a former Soviet Republic. Apples and oranges.

:lol:  Well almost.   Checnya was never a Soviet Republic though Azerbaijan was.  It was always part of the Russian Soviet Republic.
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Tamas

Quote from: Razgovory on July 14, 2009, 03:48:42 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2009, 01:40:05 AM
Chechnya is a former Soviet Republic. Apples and oranges.

:lol:  Well almost.   Checnya was never a Soviet Republic though Azerbaijan was.  It was always part of the Russian Soviet Republic.

Marty fails with comparisons? Say it is not so!

Martinus

Sorry for some reason I thought we were talking about Armenia.

Still, I do think that Chechnya and Azerbajian are apples and oranges. Azerbajian is not a rebel republic, the independence of which Russia is not recognizing. Like Ukraine or Lithuania, it may be a former part of the SU but its international status is completely different from that of Chechnya.