The shit in Spain falls mainly in the fan

[Drakken]

Right now it feels like the separatists just wanted to say they are an independent country, get all drunk celebrating and then go home, without actually caring about the things independent countries are supposed to do in order to actually be independent countries. Had I known I'd have let them do the UDI back in 2014.

I guess it won't be so easy though.

Typical of first-world secessionist movements - thinking that all is in pink-glasses. All they need to do is to declare independence and they can go home, because naturally the other side will just bow down, give them everything they ask, and everyone will recognize them. Because... reasons.

[Monoriu]

Catalan President refuses his dismissal in a recorded message from an unknown location in Girona. He's going full Bin Laden now.

You mean ex-President.  Traitor has been fired, I heard

[Josquius]

Madrid hasn't even bothered arresting anyone either. No revolution on the weekend I guess.

Really doing wonders for the "manana" stereotype.

[Iormlund]

Rajoy has reverted to his natural state of giving his enemies rope, while he enjoys a cigar and a drink.

[celedhring]

Huge Unionist rally in Barcelona this morning.

[Iormlund]

And very good speeches by Borrel (socialist) and Frutos (communist).

I hate to say this, but this country really needs someone young who can speak in complete sentences. As cute as Arrimada is, she's nowhere near close to Borrell (surely the most qualified president this country never had).

[celedhring]

Yeah, both speeches were very good, both by men over 70. The downfall in the quality of politicians in this country has been pretty steep.

Arrimadas is actually a good politician (she's done a great job of moving Cs towards the political center in Catalonia) but a so-so speaker.

[CountDeMoney]

Madrid hasn't even bothered arresting anyone either. No revolution on the weekend I guess.

Really doing wonders for the "manana" stereotype.

I bet if there were some fucking animals to set on fire or throw out of buildings, their greasy asses would would already be in the counter-revolution purge phase.

[celedhring]

Tomorrow the men from Madrid will start taking over the Catalan administration. Given the fact that the takeover of the Catalan police has so far gone seamlessly, it seems that there won't be much resistance. A week ago we were looking at a "masses of protesters surrounding Catalan government buildings" scenario, but this threat seems to have evaporated. We'll see how it goes.

[celedhring]

Madrid hasn't even bothered arresting anyone either. No revolution on the weekend I guess.

Really doing wonders for the "manana" stereotype.

I bet if there were some fucking animals to set on fire or throw out of buildings, their greasy asses would would already be in the counter-revolution purge phase.

As long as there are a bunch of sunburnt Americans paying to watch it, sure.

[mongers]

Tomorrow the men from Madrid will start taking over the Catalan administration. Given the fact that the takeover of the Catalan police has so far gone seamlessly, it seems that there won't be much resistance. A week ago we were looking at a "masses of protesters surrounding Catalan government buildings" scenario, but this threat seems to have evaporated.

Hopeful signs, but don't rule out the depths of stupidity that the hotheads are willing to plunge to.

[Iormlund]

Tomorrow the men from Madrid will start taking over the Catalan administration. Given the fact that the takeover of the Catalan police has so far gone seamlessly, it seems that there won't be much resistance. A week ago we were looking at a "masses of protesters surrounding Catalan government buildings" scenario, but this threat seems to have evaporated.

Hopeful signs, but don't rule out the depths of stupidity that the hotheads are willing to plunge to.

I think the word is to keep it peaceful. Not for the good of the people, obviously. It's because the law says violence is required for a conviction when accused of rebellion.

However the precedent is against the coup organizers (no actual violence needed, just threat of), and the law also states that disrupting communications counts as violence (and roads were blocked during the strike).

[celedhring]

Tomorrow the men from Madrid will start taking over the Catalan administration. Given the fact that the takeover of the Catalan police has so far gone seamlessly, it seems that there won't be much resistance. A week ago we were looking at a "masses of protesters surrounding Catalan government buildings" scenario, but this threat seems to have evaporated.

Hopeful signs, but don't rule out the depths of stupidity that the hotheads are willing to plunge to.

I think the word is to keep it peaceful. Not for the good of the people, obviously. It's because the law says violence is required for a conviction when accused of rebellion.

However the precedent is against the coup organizers (no actual violence needed, just threat of), and the law also states that disrupting communications counts as violence (and roads were blocked during the strike).

Don't think that strike can be counted as an act of rebellion though. It was legally convened.

But yeah, the whole UDI has been so low-profile that it smacks of trying to avoid the full weight of the law. The fact the Catalan government hasn't even attempted to issue a single decree is telling. Using the state apparatus - and its implicit coercive force - to prop up the rebellion counts as violent rebellion too.

Probably jailing the leaders of the separatist NGOs for sedition was a wake up call for separatists. Madrid wasn't going to fool around this time.

[CountDeMoney]

As long as there are a bunch of sunburnt Americans paying to watch it, sure.

Nice try, but you can't pin thousands of greaseball blood feasts a year on the tourists.  Dumbass Moops.

[Iormlund]

Don't think that strike can be counted as an act of rebellion though. It was legally convened.

But yeah, the whole UDI has been so low-profile that it smacks of trying to avoid the full weight of the law. The fact the Catalan government hasn't even attempted to issue a single decree is telling. Using the state apparatus - and its implicit coercive force - to prop up the rebellion counts as violent rebellion too.

Probably jailing the leaders of the separatist NGOs for sedition was a wake up call for separatists. Madrid wasn't going to fool around this time.

The strike itself was technically illegal. Politics are specifically excluded from the list of reasons to call for one. Plus, I doubt blocking highways is part of any legal strike.

And yeah, I think the biggest factors here were the quick collapse of Catalonia's economic framework and the hearings in the Audiencia. Trapero himself looked thoroughly defeated after the ordeal.