The shit in Spain falls mainly in the fan

[Iormlund]

that's not really autonomy.  In fact, it's quite the opposite.

They already have autonomy. The Generalitat is very welcome to continue to run hospitals or any number of other tasks as it sees fit. It has however proven incapable of responsible administration of police, education and state media. Much less taxation.

When your kid throws a party while you're away and thrashes your house you don't buy him a new BMW.

In parallel, we can engage on dialogue on how to change our constitution with the representatives Catalonia chooses in new elections. Personally, as stated before, I'm all for a referendum provided it requires a qualified majority and is undertaken on a local level. And there's probably more like me. All Catalonian nationalists have to do is drop the victim bullshit and start convincing people.

[Duque de Bragança]

It's got to the point where the historical Catalan flag is slowly becoming an Unionist symbol. 

LULZ

[grumbler]

Man, you guys suck at quelling regional tension.

Man, you guys suck at understanding regional tension.

[Grey Fox]

Who's you, Aristote?

[Josquius]

I was asking of course because that was the attitude toward the ethnic non-Hungarians within Hungary before 1918, and then has been the attitude toward ethnic Hungarians across the borders after 1920.

Because of that, I find the "naive Spain feeding Catalan dragon" cartoons in bad taste, however silly the notion of independence is.

It's not a Catalan dragon, it's a separatist dragon. Though I admit the difference is easy to miss for a foreigner.

On the left Catalonia's flag. On the right the separatist flag:

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Funny coincidence that north east Spain has the same traditional flag as north east England

[Eddie Teach]

Our northeastern flags are big on pine trees.

[celedhring]

Funny coincidence that north east Spain has the same traditional flag as north east England

You won't like that, but it's one of the reasons why I started following Newcastle United 

[Josquius]

Funny coincidence that north east Spain has the same traditional flag as north east England

You won't like that, but it's one of the reasons why I started following Newcastle United 

So you chose our Espanyol.
Sunderland at least stick close to the proper colours :p

[celedhring]

Espanyol are the Catalan mackems 

Truth is that I've been following the PL since the 1990s, and it's more exciting when you've got skin in the game. NUFC are hilarious to follow, plus Bobby Robson managed Barça and the Nortumbria flag was cool and all.

[katmai]

Espanyol are the Catalan mackems 

Truth is that I've been following the PL since the 1990s, and it's more exciting when you've got skin in the game. NUFC are hilarious to follow, plus Bobby Robson managed Barça and the Nortumbria flag was cool and all.

Futbol hijack, but man those Alan Shearer teams 

[Iormlund]

Futbol hijack,

Speaking of which, what the fuck happened to you guys?

[celedhring]

Espanyol are the Catalan mackems 

Truth is that I've been following the PL since the 1990s, and it's more exciting when you've got skin in the game. NUFC are hilarious to follow, plus Bobby Robson managed Barça and the Nortumbria flag was cool and all.

Futbol hijack, but man those Alan Shearer teams 

Yeah, Shearer was ace. One of my favorite foreign footballers when I was a kid.

For somebody that doesn't give that much of a damn, NUFC are a great team to follow. The drama is ever-present (hilariously so), yet they have a history of good teams and footballers which gives them a decent tradition.

[Josquius]

Plus they're chaotic evil. That's always fun.

[Valmy]

Plus they're chaotic evil. That's always fun.

The Orcs of the football world?

[Josquius]

Plus they're chaotic evil. That's always fun.

The Orcs of the football world?

Sort of.
But with lots of money. And humans in green paint joining their ranks in the quest for glory.