Teen girl too drunk to consent to sex: Languish?

[Admiral Yi]

There's simply a disturbing feeling that the way the laws work, if 2 people get drunk and have sex, then the guy is a rapist because the girl couldn't give consent, even though the guy also couldn't legally give consent, either, so why is he a criminal and not her as well?  That doesn't appear to be the situation in this particular case, but the laws seen to allow that sort of double standard.  And I'm using (or mis-using) "the laws" to mean not so much what the various laws on the books actually say as much as how those laws are open to being mis-used by the police and prosecutors either through malice or incompetence.

My male outrage was leading me to this same conclusion, but on the other hand how can you get a woodie and stick it in a vagina without consenting?

[Jacob]

There's simply a disturbing feeling that the way the laws work, if 2 people get drunk and have sex, then the guy is a rapist because the girl couldn't give consent, even though the guy also couldn't legally give consent, either, so why is he a criminal and not her as well?  That doesn't appear to be the situation in this particular case, but the laws seen to allow that sort of double standard.  And I'm using (or mis-using) "the laws" to mean not so much what the various laws on the books actually say as much as how those laws are open to being mis-used by the police and prosecutors either through malice or incompetence.

Sure that hypothetical scenario gets rolled out all the time, but that wasn't the case here.

[Solmyr]

There's simply a disturbing feeling that the way the laws work, if 2 people get drunk and have sex, then the guy is a rapist because the girl couldn't give consent, even though the guy also couldn't legally give consent, either, so why is he a criminal and not her as well?  That doesn't appear to be the situation in this particular case, but the laws seen to allow that sort of double standard.  And I'm using (or mis-using) "the laws" to mean not so much what the various laws on the books actually say as much as how those laws are open to being mis-used by the police and prosecutors either through malice or incompetence.

I'm pretty sure that if a guy is blackout drunk and unable to give consent, and a girl who is slightly drunk but able to make decisions has sex with him, she will be considered the guilty one. At least, if your laws are those of a normal country.

[The Brain]

There's simply a disturbing feeling that the way the laws work, if 2 people get drunk and have sex, then the guy is a rapist because the girl couldn't give consent, even though the guy also couldn't legally give consent, either, so why is he a criminal and not her as well?  That doesn't appear to be the situation in this particular case, but the laws seen to allow that sort of double standard.  And I'm using (or mis-using) "the laws" to mean not so much what the various laws on the books actually say as much as how those laws are open to being mis-used by the police and prosecutors either through malice or incompetence.

My male outrage was leading me to this same conclusion, but on the other hand how can you get a woodie and stick it in a vagina without consenting?

Yi never got hard in his sleep.

[dps]

There's simply a disturbing feeling that the way the laws work, if 2 people get drunk and have sex, then the guy is a rapist because the girl couldn't give consent, even though the guy also couldn't legally give consent, either, so why is he a criminal and not her as well?  That doesn't appear to be the situation in this particular case, but the laws seen to allow that sort of double standard.  And I'm using (or mis-using) "the laws" to mean not so much what the various laws on the books actually say as much as how those laws are open to being mis-used by the police and prosecutors either through malice or incompetence.

My male outrage was leading me to this same conclusion, but on the other hand how can you get a woodie and stick it in a vagina without consenting?

We're talking legal requirements for consent, not consent in a more casual, informal meaning.  It's certainly not impossible to be able to get an erection while being too intoxicated to give legal consent.  Sure, some guys can't get it up when they're drunk, but others can.  For that matter, ever woke up, not from a drunken stupor, but just from a normal sleep with wood?  (Anecdotally, I actually had a guy tell me about one time on a camping trip or something, he woke up and some chick was riding him.  He didn't mind, but technically under current laws, that probably would be rape.  But there's that double standard thing again--if he had minded and gone to the police, you think the girl would have even been prosecuted successfully?  I very much doubt it.  Most cops would probably just laugh at him;  if they did investigate, few prosecutors would actually file charges, because even if a given prosecutor wasn't applying a double standard, he'd know that getting a jury to convict in such a case would be very, very unlikely.)

[dps]

There's simply a disturbing feeling that the way the laws work, if 2 people get drunk and have sex, then the guy is a rapist because the girl couldn't give consent, even though the guy also couldn't legally give consent, either, so why is he a criminal and not her as well?  That doesn't appear to be the situation in this particular case, but the laws seen to allow that sort of double standard.  And I'm using (or mis-using) "the laws" to mean not so much what the various laws on the books actually say as much as how those laws are open to being mis-used by the police and prosecutors either through malice or incompetence.

I'm pretty sure that if a guy is blackout drunk and unable to give consent, and a girl who is slightly drunk but able to make decisions has sex with him, she will be considered the guilty one. At least, if your laws are those of a normal country.

See my previous post.  That might be what the laws on the books technically say, but do you really think any girl is going to get convicted under them?

[Solmyr]

There's simply a disturbing feeling that the way the laws work, if 2 people get drunk and have sex, then the guy is a rapist because the girl couldn't give consent, even though the guy also couldn't legally give consent, either, so why is he a criminal and not her as well?  That doesn't appear to be the situation in this particular case, but the laws seen to allow that sort of double standard.  And I'm using (or mis-using) "the laws" to mean not so much what the various laws on the books actually say as much as how those laws are open to being mis-used by the police and prosecutors either through malice or incompetence.

I'm pretty sure that if a guy is blackout drunk and unable to give consent, and a girl who is slightly drunk but able to make decisions has sex with him, she will be considered the guilty one. At least, if your laws are those of a normal country.

See my previous post.  That might be what the laws on the books technically say, but do you really think any girl is going to get convicted under them?

Why wouldn't she be? If cops or prosecutors dismiss such cases when a man is raped, that's not a problem with the legal system, that's a problem with a culture of toxic masculinity claiming that a man cannot be raped.

[HVC]

There's simply a disturbing feeling that the way the laws work, if 2 people get drunk and have sex, then the guy is a rapist because the girl couldn't give consent, even though the guy also couldn't legally give consent, either, so why is he a criminal and not her as well?  That doesn't appear to be the situation in this particular case, but the laws seen to allow that sort of double standard.  And I'm using (or mis-using) "the laws" to mean not so much what the various laws on the books actually say as much as how those laws are open to being mis-used by the police and prosecutors either through malice or incompetence.

My male outrage was leading me to this same conclusion, but on the other hand how can you get a woodie and stick it in a vagina without consenting?

Same way you can suck dick without consenting, impairment nullifies consent (not nullify in the legal sense, which I think has a specific meaning, I just like the word )

[Josephus]

There's simply a disturbing feeling that the way the laws work, if 2 people get drunk and have sex, then the guy is a rapist because the girl couldn't give consent, even though the guy also couldn't legally give consent, either, so why is he a criminal and not her as well?  That doesn't appear to be the situation in this particular case, but the laws seen to allow that sort of double standard.  And I'm using (or mis-using) "the laws" to mean not so much what the various laws on the books actually say as much as how those laws are open to being mis-used by the police and prosecutors either through malice or incompetence.

My male outrage was leading me to this same conclusion, but on the other hand how can you get a woodie and stick it in a vagina without consenting?

Viagra? Coke?

[Jacob]

My male outrage was leading me to this same conclusion, but on the other hand how can you get a woodie and stick it in a vagina without consenting?

It's doable, but I reckon it's less likely to happen in the wild than the inverse.

But the body can respond to physical stimuli, without the mind being on board (or even conscious).

[garbon]

My male outrage was leading me to this same conclusion, but on the other hand how can you get a woodie and stick it in a vagina without consenting?

It's doable, but I reckon it's less likely to happen in the wild than the inverse.

But the body can respond to physical stimuli, without the mind being on board (or even conscious).

Indeed, I think I had already posted about that before. Say they stimulate you and get on top of you while you are asleep/passed out.

edit: And in my case, Languish judged in 2012 that I'd been sexually assaulted.

[Malthus]

Sexual assault doesn't require the guy to be hard, of course.

Pass out drunk: wake up to find someone sucking your cock - that counts.

[Maximus]

Coercion is also a thing

[katmai]

Yi never got hard in his sleep.

TMI?

[Admiral Yi]

Yi never got hard in his sleep.

TMI?

I've had exactly one wet dream in my life.  It was awesome.