Élection présidentielle française

[Zoupa]

Obama posted a video endorsement of Macron.

I don't get it, but you do you Barack.

It's that fucking important.

Oh I'm not disputing that. It's just hilarious to think that he, or you apparently, think it will any weight come Sunday. Might even backfire.

Reminds me of those Guardian readers writing to the rednecks of Ohio to vote for Kerry.

Stay in your lane boys. Don't he have a speech to prepare for wall st anyways?

Oh, I forgot, Macron comes from big finance too. Keep dancing to the tune, folks. Wouldn't want to see the strings making the puppet dance.

[Valmy]

Oh, I forgot, Macron comes from big finance too. Keep dancing to the tune, folks. Wouldn't want to see the strings making the puppet dance.

Gosh international capital controlling us all like puppets? Yeah let's go back to that rhetoric. It already got us Trump and worked so well in the 1930s.

[Syt]

https://www.rt.com/politics/386962-most-russians-would-prefer-le/

Most Russians want Le Pen as next French president, poll shows

Almost two-thirds of Russians support Marine Le Pen in the current French presidential campaign, with just 8 percent preferring Emmanuel Macron as the next leader of France.

According to a recent poll conducted by Russian state-run sociological agency VTSIOM, half of all Russians are following the events of the current French presidential elections.

Just over half – 57 percent – think that the outcome of the race is important for Russia, while about 30 percent believe that the poll results will not affect their country in any significant way.

Around a quarter – 26 percent – say they support neither of the candidates who have made it into the May 7 runoff.

The head of the VTSIOM center, Valeriy Fedorov, said that the poll results were understandable and expected because National Front (FN) leader Le Pen has repeatedly spoken for the need to end the tension between Russia and the West.

The second round of the French presidential elections will see En Marche party head Macron, who claimed over 24 percent of votes in the first round, face off against right-wing Le Pen, who garnered over 21 percent of votes.

In late March this year, Le Pen visited Moscow and met Russian President Vladimir Putin. During the pair's discussion, Putin stressed the importance of relations with France and said that despite reserving the right to meet any potential candidate, Moscow has no intention of meddling in the French presidential vote.

[Zoupa]

Oh, I forgot, Macron comes from big finance too. Keep dancing to the tune, folks. Wouldn't want to see the strings making the puppet dance.

Gosh international capital controlling us all like puppets? Yeah let's go back to that rhetoric. It already got us Trump and worked so well in the 1930s.

Hurts coz it's true. Greed will kill us all in the end.

[Solmyr]

Wait, when did Grallon go full Elders of Zion retard?

[Duque de Bragança]

Commentators say Maquereau won but I am not convinced. Of course, Marine was aggressive but I can't say she won too.

PS: Putin had other puppets. Arguably, Marine is puppet n°1.

Do you really believe she's a Russian puppet?  I mean sure her election would align with Russia's long term goals, but a direct agent?  I doubt they have as much dirt on her as they do on Trump which they apparently can manipulate at will.  But even then...  Macron comes from the Rothschild' stable - you can't be more enthralled to the globalist agenda of destroying nation states so that the global elite can rule without any opposition than that. 

Give me a proto-fascist (not that I believe Marine is - even though some of her supporters may be) over a cyber feudal lord any day of the week!



G.

No question Macron comes from the Rotschild stable. This is the guy who claims there is no French culture,

il n'y a d'ailleurs pas une culture française, il y a une culture en France, elle est diverse, elle est multiple".

A true anglo multiculturalist stance, which makes even less sense in France than in North America.

He also compares a police operation against Jihadis in the mediterranean with crimes against humanity. No mention of the historical context (Charles X, Algiers Dey etc.) and that the subsequent colonisation and decolonization were the real problem, though far from "crimes against humanity".

He is Hollande 2.0. Gauche caviar/Champagne left at its worst, under a thin apolitical guise. Think of him as the perfect Martinus Left.
La peste et le choléra, Macron 2017 = Marine 2022 are perfectly plausible.

I guess you can figure what will be my vote now.

However, Russian financing of the FN, in the past at the very least, is well documented. French political parties are financed by the State depending on votes and up to a limit, but recently they run into problems, not just the FN, so money has been harder to fin.

http://www.atlantico.fr/decryptage/marine-pen-confrontee-grave-crise-tresorerie-qui-pourrait-compromettre-campagne-nicholas-vinocur-2834358.html

Tous les partis sont confrontés au refus des banques françaises de leur accorder des prêts. Mais c'est encore plus problématique pour le Front national, car les autres parties (Les Républicains, Parti socialiste) disposent de sources de revenus alternatives : anciens prêts bancaires refinancés, plus de militants pour faire des dons, etc. Le Front national a moins de militants, et ils donnent très peu. Son seul prêt vient d'une banque soutenue par la Russie qui n'a aujourd'hui plus le droit de faire des affaires.

How a a country with 20 % muslims (real figures are hard to obtain as in France), imams paid by the State, be a model for European nationalists/far-righters is beyond me. They don't share nowadays the islamophilia of Hitler (read his sadness about the Battle of Poitiers/Tours) or Himmler anymore.
It does not make sense, but money talks or rather people sell out.

Once the FN was associated with Svoboda, the populist/far right Ukrainian party, which took part in the Maidan protests. Guess what, after the Crimea affair, the FN reproduced the same Kremlin rhetoric and Svoboda denounced the partnership they had.
Having a KGB dude playing both the far right and far left in the West is not exactly new.

Of course, Mélenchon is also quite pro-Putin, with an exclusive anti-Baltic streak which does not seem to trouble PC crusaders, Lithuanian apartheid regime against Russians, SS Lithuanian division proof Lithuania's nazi-leanings during the war etc.; Asselineau is even more anti-EU and anti-NATO than Marine, with a conspiracy-minded twist ; Dupont-Aignan is more or less on the same line regarding Russia, but not as anti-EU as her. Plus some usual useful idiots on the left, two trotskyites, more anti-NATO, pacifists than really pro-Putin.

[The Minsky Moment]

Oh, I forgot, Macron comes from big finance too. Keep dancing to the tune, folks. Wouldn't want to see the strings making the puppet dance.

Really?  The Rothschild global banking conspiracy is really still considered au courant in your circles?

[The Minsky Moment]

He is Hollande 2.0. Gauche caviar/Champagne left at its worst, under a thin apolitical guise. Think of him as the perfect Martinus Left.
La peste et le choléra, Macron 2017 = Marine 2022 are perfectly plausible.

I guess you can figure what will be my vote now.

However, Russian financing of the FN, in the past at the very least, is well documented.

Right, on the one hand you have a pack of crypto-fascists in the pocket of a foreign dictator.
On the other hand you have a guy who said some nice things about Muslims.
So . . .  it's team Swastika FTW!
Better Hitler than Blum right?

[derspiess]

Obama posted a video endorsement of Macron.

I don't get it, but you do you Barack.

It's that fucking important.

[Oexmelin]

Right, on the one hand you have a pack of crypto-fascists in the pocket of a foreign dictator.
On the other hand you have a guy who said some nice things about Muslims.
So . . .  it's team Swastika FTW!
Better Hitler than Blum right?

This is not going to work. Duque has been a crypto frontiste for years, complete with the mandatory ritual denunciations of "political correctness". 

[Duque de Bragança]

He is Hollande 2.0. Gauche caviar/Champagne left at its worst, under a thin apolitical guise. Think of him as the perfect Martinus Left.
La peste et le choléra, Macron 2017 = Marine 2022 are perfectly plausible.

I guess you can figure what will be my vote now.

However, Russian financing of the FN, in the past at the very least, is well documented.

Right, on the one hand you have a pack of crypto-fascists in the pocket of a foreign dictator.
On the other hand you have a guy who said some nice things about Muslims.
So . . .  it's team Swastika FTW!
Better Hitler than Blum right?

He says nice things about islamists too (on and off record), but despises the proles, who are drunkards, smokers, lazy, illiterate (in the case of the ladies) if they don't find a job. So pick your poison.
I won't, so I'll wait for the legislative elections to have a proper choice (3rd round of Presidential elections). It's not the US elections, remember.

Get the proper slogan first, it's "plutôt Hitler que le front Populaire". It has to rhyme to be a good slogan in French, before even considering the message. Macron is very far from the Front Populaire policies, or Blum for that matter, and Marine is no Hitler sorry. Her Dad was in the OAS, is a extreme-right troll, not really interested in power yet she gets lots of votes from North African-born French Jews (pied-noirs) and from these North Africans who served in the French Army during the Algerian war , so the reality is more complex.

Speaking of the FN, it would not have reached the heights it has now, if not for François Mitterrand and the PS government

« On a tout inté­rêt à pous­ser le Front Natio­nal. Il rend la droite inéli­gible. Plus il sera fort, plus on sera imbat­tables. C'est la chance histo­rique des socia­listes ».

From a 1990 book:  Le Président de Franz-Olivier Gies­bert (Editions du Seuil) quoting Pierre Béré­go­voy.

http://reve86.org/le-fn-et-francois-mitterrand/
Left-wing link

A strong FN helps the PS, old or new (Macron). Of course, it has to be done covertly and expertly, or the maneuver backfires as in 2002.

So reductio ad hitlerem is not enough nor relevant for describing Marine. The old "anti-fascism" card is theatre, as said by Jospin. A nice Mitterrand tactic.
Marine an angry populist? Sure! Her Euro policy is not exactly convincing, nor coherent. Less so lately, thanks to the agreement with Dupont-Aigan, himself a euroskeptic.

As for Blum, he did not oppose the Munich conference, and the 40h week should have excluded for the time being war industries (the only bad effect). His non-intervention policy in Spain, can't be really blamed only on him, but did not help of course. He did not oppose the remilitarisation of the Rhineland too earlier.
Lots, if not most in the left and right were pacifist. Besides, even the notorious anti-semite Maurras was anti-German for a while, and he supported Pétain later on.

[Duque de Bragança]

Right, on the one hand you have a pack of crypto-fascists in the pocket of a foreign dictator.
On the other hand you have a guy who said some nice things about Muslims.
So . . .  it's team Swastika FTW!
Better Hitler than Blum right?

This is not going to work. Duque has been a crypto frontiste for years, complete with the mandatory ritual denunciations of "political correctness".

Not voting for Macron, nor Le Pen, means crypto-frontiste now? That means lots of people from the left too here. Careful, PC crusader!

[Valmy]

I thought France had no government during the re-occupation of the Rhineland.

[Valmy]

Not voting for Macron, nor Le Pen, means crypto-frontiste now? That means lots of people from the left too here. Careful, PC crusader!

Not during the first round no...

[Jacob]

Not voting for Macron, nor Le Pen, means crypto-frontiste now? That means lots of people from the left too here. Careful, PC crusader!

The assessment is not based on your potential vote in this one election, but rather your record of statements over the last several years.