Great Story from Iran

[Eddie Teach]

Since when do our people riot?

Last Mexican Presidential election, the loser took over Mexico City for like a month.

[Cerr]

Hungarians had a viable civilization long before your irish forefathers learnt how to read and write.

So they had a viable civilization long before 1950?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham

[Razgovory]

That civilization died long ago.  Western Civilization was only really came about in the dark ages.

[Monoriu]

I vote that story is fake.

[Siege]

I vote that story is fake.

Yep.

[Jaron]

It must pain you to see your people suffering like this, Siege. But don't worry, I'm sure the the riots will die down soon and all your semite brothers can get back to the rigors of every day life: goat herding, beheading people, and of course - finding new wells to poison.

[Viking]

That civilization died long ago.  Western Civilization was only really came about in the dark ages.

Disagree. Western Civilization is the sum of the human societies which can trace an unbroken path through history (usually through the Catholic Church and Roman Empire) to the three pillars, Rome, Greece and Israel.

[Scipio]

It must pain you to see your people suffering like this, Siege. But don't worry, I'm sure the the riots will die down soon and all your semite brothers can get back to the rigors of every day life: goat herding, beheading people, and of course - finding new wells to poison.

Persians are aryan, dude.

[Queequeg]

It must pain you to see your people suffering like this, Siege. But don't worry, I'm sure the the riots will die down soon and all your semite brothers can get back to the rigors of every day life: goat herding, beheading people, and of course - finding new wells to poison.

Iran=Aryan.  Land of the Aryans, you MEXICAN!

[Neil]

It must pain you to see your people suffering like this, Siege. But don't worry, I'm sure the the riots will die down soon and all your semite brothers can get back to the rigors of every day life: goat herding, beheading people, and of course - finding new wells to poison.

Iran=Aryan.  Land of the Aryans, you MEXICAN!

Yeah, but they're both Muslims, or derivatives thereof.

[Siege]

It must pain you to see your people suffering like this, Siege. But don't worry, I'm sure the the riots will die down soon and all your semite brothers can get back to the rigors of every day life: goat herding, beheading people, and of course - finding new wells to poison.

Iran=Aryan.  Land of the Aryans, you MEXICAN!

Don't you mean Mexican't?

[Razgovory]

That civilization died long ago.  Western Civilization was only really came about in the dark ages.

Disagree. Western Civilization is the sum of the human societies which can trace an unbroken path through history (usually through the Catholic Church and Roman Empire) to the three pillars, Rome, Greece and Israel.

There's a big break in the path when the Mediterranean societies collapsed in the west and were overrun by Germans.  The Mediterranean civilization survived longer in the east but was was itself destroyed and an eastern civilization grew in it's place made up of Slavic and Turkic cultures.  Western civilization has as much to do with ancient Greece as classical Greece had to do with the Mycenaean Greece.

[Viking]

There's a big break in the path when the Mediterranean societies collapsed in the west and were overrun by Germans.  The Mediterranean civilization survived longer in the east but was was itself destroyed and an eastern civilization grew in it's place made up of Slavic and Turkic cultures.  Western civilization has as much to do with ancient Greece as classical Greece had to do with the Mycenaean Greece.

The West survives that invasion through the Roman Catholic Church and it's institutions and traditions. The Germanic tribes usually established themselves as a new upper class in the Roman territories they conquered. The local population retained their culture and language, which is witnessed by the Lombards ending up with a Latin derived Italian speaking kingdom, the Visigoths with a Latin derived Spanish speaking kingdom and the Franks with a Latin derived French speaking kingdom. The Saxons and Arabs were more through when taking over land. I suggest you read some Henri Pirenne.

Pirenne's thesis takes as axiomatic that the natural interests of the feudal nobility and of the urban patriciate, which came to well-attested frictions in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, were in their origins incompatible. This aspect of his thesis has been challenged in detail.[3]

Traditionally, historians have dated the Middle Ages from the fall of the Roman Empire in the 5th century, a theory Edward Gibbon famously put forward in the 18th century. Pirenne challenged the notion that Germanic barbarians had caused the Roman Empire to end, and he challenged the notion that the end of the Roman Empire should equate with the end of the office of Emperor in Europe, which occurred in 476. He pointed out the essential continuity of the economy of the Roman Mediterranean even after the barbarian invasions, that the Roman way of doing things did not fundamentally change in the time immediately after the "fall" of Rome. Barbarians came to Rome not to destroy it, but to take part in its benefits; they tried to preserve the Roman way of life.

According to Pirenne[4] the real break in Roman history occurred in the 7th century as a result of Arab expansion. Islamic conquest of the area of today's south-eastern Turkey, Syria, Palestine, North Africa, Spain and Portugal ruptured economic ties to Europe, cutting the continent off from trade and turning it into a stagnant backwater, with wealth flowing out in the form of raw resources and nothing coming back. This began a steady decline and impoverishment so that by the time of Charlemagne Europe had become entirely agrarian at a subsistence level, with no long-distance trade. Pirenne says "Without Islam, the Frankish Empire would have probably never existed, and Charlemagne, without Muhammad, would be inconceivable".

Pirenne used quantitative methods in relation to currency in support of his thesis. Much of his argument builds upon the disappearance of items from Europe, items that had to come from outside Europe. For example, the minting of gold coins north of the Alps stopped after the 7th century, indicating a loss of access to wealthier parts of the world. Papyrus, made only in Egypt, no longer appeared north of the Alps after the 7th century: writing reverted to using animal skins, indicating an isolation from wealthier areas.

Pirenne's Thesis has not entirely convinced all historians of the period. One does not have to entirely accept or deny his theory. It has provided useful tools for understanding the period of the Early Middle Ages, and a valuable example of how periodization schemes are provisional, never axiomatic.

[Josquius]

Don't forget the survival of western civilization hidden away in Ireland too.

[Razgovory]

This doesn't support your "unbroken line" theory though.