Operation Enduring Nuremberg: The Trump Diaspora begins...con carne!

[Oexmelin]

The myth that CBP used to be a bunch of great guys and gals until Trump took office and issued a decree is comical.  These people have been jerks since forever.  You'll find plenty of horror stories from before Trump even took office.

I am not the one peddling that myth.

[grumbler]

Add in talk about "thugs" and you look like an emo sore loser.

This is ICE and CBP we're talking about here.  Amazing what federal gigs a high school diploma and 10 Veterans Preference points for "the voices" since coming home from Iraq can score these days.

Oh, those guys have been bastards for a long time.  This myth that Trump has unleashed them somehow and made them "bad hombres" is kinda amusing, if you've been at all paying attention for the last fifteen years.

[Ed Anger]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[Oexmelin]

You can't help being emo, can you?  If I point out that people are being emo when they insist that officials they don't like are "thugs," you can either take that on board or go even more emo, like here.  I kinda find your taking the second approach more amusing, I'll admit, so keep up the emo if you can.

Yeah. I admit. This gets to me, and I get passionate, and worried about it. I mean, I am a foreigner. My partner teaches Arabic. Many of our friends are consequently Muslim. Some  are actually refugees stuck in camps in Lebanon. I have been witness to injustice and heartlessness from CBP when stuck in the detention center at Dulles. Other friends, much less worryingly, have "only" been turned back at the border, or at the airport. I am sorry we can't all be devoid of empathy like you. But I'll be happy to be shown to have overreacted in a few years. It's just that the  alternative - that is, people like you being shown they were underreacting - is somehow more problematic. But, keep it up, Dr. Pangloss. I am sure, in a few years, you'll discover new insults like "snowflake" and "social justice warrior".

[jimmy olsen]

I completely agree with Oexmelin's stance on the issue. This is absolutely an issue people should get passionate about.

[Ed Anger]

TAINTED

[PDH]

I completely agree with Oexmelin's stance on the issue. This is absolutely an issue people should get passionate about.

Fuck.  Tainted.  Sorry, Oex

[grumbler]

Yeah. I admit. This gets to me, and I get passionate, and worried about it. I mean, I am a foreigner. My partner teaches Arabic. Many of our friends are consequently Muslim. Some  are actually refugees stuck in camps in Lebanon. I have been witness to injustice and heartlessness from CBP when stuck in the detention center at Dulles. Other friends, much less worryingly, have "only" been turned back at the border, or at the airport. I am sorry we can't all be devoid of empathy like you. But I'll be happy to be shown to have overreacted in a few years. It's just that the  alternative - that is, people like you being shown they were underreacting - is somehow more problematic. But, keep it up, Dr. Pangloss. I am sure, in a few years, you'll discover new insults like "snowflake" and "social justice warrior".

So I can be emo like you and consider authorities I dislike to be "thugs,", or else I can be "devoid of empathy?"  In your worldview, those are the only options?

Well, if those are the only alternatives, I'll gladly be "devoid of empathy" in your eyes and clear-eyed in my own.  I just have too much self-respect to go the emo route, satisfying as it must be to you to nail yourself to that cross.  Tyranny must be fought with laws, not tears.

[grumbler]

I completely agree with Oexmelin's stance on the issue. This is absolutely an issue people should get passionate about.

  And what do you imagine the differences are between Oex's stance and mine?

[CountDeMoney]

Add in talk about "thugs" and you look like an emo sore loser.

This is ICE and CBP we're talking about here.  Amazing what federal gigs a high school diploma and 10 Veterans Preference points for "the voices" since coming home from Iraq can score these days.

Oh, those guys have been bastards for a long time.  This myth that Trump has unleashed them somehow and made them "bad hombres" is kinda amusing, if you've been at all paying attention for the last fifteen years.

While I have every confidence in General Kelly being able control the Department of Misfit Toys, the fact remains that Der Furor has loosened the ROE for them--and with Attorney Confederate General Jefferson Beauregard Secessions in charge of DOJ, I don't see the concerns surrounding a new-found professional zealotry as too unreasonable.

[Oexmelin]

I completely agree with Oexmelin's stance on the issue. This is absolutely an issue people should get passionate about.

Fuck.  Tainted.  Sorry, Oex

Don't feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for America, for my noble cause is hers, and 'tis America now that is tainted.

[11B4V]

Add in talk about "thugs" and you look like an emo sore loser.

This is ICE and CBP we're talking about here.  Amazing what federal gigs a high school diploma and 10 Veterans Preference points for "the voices" since coming home from Iraq can score these days.

Oh, those guys have been bastards for a long time.  This myth that Trump has unleashed them somehow and made them "bad hombres" is kinda amusing, if you've been at all paying attention for the last fifteen years.

While I have every confidence in General Kelly being able control the Department of Misfit Toys, the fact remains that Der Furor has loosened the ROE for them--and with Attorney Confederate General Jefferson Beauregard Secessions in charge of DOJ, I don't see the concerns surrounding a new-found professional zealotry as too unreasonable.

So what you're saying is.........

[grumbler]

While I have every confidence in General Kelly being able control the Department of Misfit Toys, the fact remains that Der Furor has loosened the ROE for them--and with Attorney Confederate General Jefferson Beauregard Secessions in charge of DOJ, I don't see the concerns surrounding a new-found professional zealotry as too unreasonable.

I think that the expansion of the "focus" to include "everything" is as troublesome as it is pointless, and I expect it will go away de facto as the impossibility of it becomes evident.  In the meantime, the key is to document what is actually happening, dispassionately, so that those who find it uncomfortable are given ammunition to support their discomfort.  What needs to be avoided is reporting that starts with the assumption that law enforcement is made up of thugs and villains.  The demonization of enemies may have carried Trump to power, but it isn't going to carry much eight in the fight against him.  You won't beat him using his means.

[CountDeMoney]

While I have every confidence in General Kelly being able control the Department of Misfit Toys, the fact remains that Der Furor has loosened the ROE for them--and with Attorney Confederate General Jefferson Beauregard Secessions in charge of DOJ, I don't see the concerns surrounding a new-found professional zealotry as too unreasonable.

So what you're saying is.........

That there's a shitload of Chets from Weird Science that couldn't get into the FBI.

[Jacob]

I completely agree with Oexmelin's stance on the issue. This is absolutely an issue people should get passionate about.

  And what do you imagine the differences are between Oex's stance and mine?

Well for one, your stance involves being a dick to Oex. I'm pretty sure Oex's does not.