The Knights of Malta in revolt against the Pope!

[Archy]

Ha a new Schism. I think the castle in Avignon is still vacant

[Valmy]

Ha a new Schism. I think the castle in Avignon is still vacant

It became property of THE PEOPLE in 1791

[Duque de Bragança]

Ha a new Schism. I think the castle in Avignon is still vacant

It became property of THE PEOPLE in 1791

Unesco World Heritage site nowadays anyways, along with the historical centre of Avignon. 

[celedhring]

There's still room at the Peñiscola Castle if the Frenchies are too difficult again.

[HVC]

Lol penis cola.

[viper37]

he wasn't pope when he denied Jesus, I don't think.

I think he was. Jesus made him the pope, as I recall the story.

He was an apostle.  Later on, after preaching for Jesus, he became Pope and got crucified.

[The Brain]

Should have honked instead.

[Valmy]

he wasn't pope when he denied Jesus, I don't think.

I think he was. Jesus made him the pope, as I recall the story.

He was an apostle.  Later on, after preaching for Jesus, he became Pope and got crucified.

He was named Pope by Jesus in Matthew 16. If you believe that. But then that is our only source he was an apostle also

[Josephus]

the first pope was JEWISH????

[grumbler]

He was an apostle.  Later on, after preaching for Jesus, he became Pope and got crucified.

Really?  He just woke up one day, and discovered he was a pope?

Funny, I had remembered reading something about Jesus declaring him the rock on which Jesus would build his church.  That seems like a declaration of popedom (popery?  potpourri?)  to me.  But I'm not a Christian, and if your book says he found his pope hat in a box of crackerjacks or whatever, I'm cool with that.

[Josephus]

Yeah, there is that passage. My original thought was that Jesus said to him after he (Jesus) died, when he was in resurrection mode. But I was wrong.
Of course none of the proddie faiths think that that passage made Peter pope.

[viper37]

he wasn't pope when he denied Jesus, I don't think.

I think he was. Jesus made him the pope, as I recall the story.

He was an apostle.  Later on, after preaching for Jesus, he became Pope and got crucified.

He was named Pope by Jesus in Matthew 16. If you believe that. But then that is our only source he was an apostle also

Pierre, sur cette pierre je bâtirai mon Église. Or something like that.  It's been a while.
Ok, not exactly confirmation as Pope, but ok, I guess that counts.
There are many apocryphal texts attributed to him or talking of him, but aside that, yes, not many sources.  It's as if he wasn't a really important historical figure and just some priest of a minor Jewish sect instead of being a Roman politician

It's always the same problem we have we early religious figures.  They are important people to Christians now, but back in their time, they were relatively minor figures, and especially early Christians, had to hide their identity.  Kinda difficult to rise above the other and be notable enought to have someone write about you shortly after your death or while you're still breathing.

[viper37]

Really?  He just woke up one day, and discovered he was a pope?

They way I interpreted it is he became Pope after Jesus died, after he realized what he had done (renouncing him 3 times).

Funny, I had remembered reading something about Jesus declaring him the rock on which Jesus would build his church.  That seems like a declaration of popedom (popery?  potpourri?)  to me.  But I'm not a Christian, and if your book says he found his pope hat in a box of crackerjacks or whatever, I'm cool with that.

I wouldn't say it's "my book", I'm not exactly a believer.
I just didn't interpret it as becoming Pope in that moment.  To me, it always signified that Jesus told him he would become the leader of Christianity, but not right now.  Kinda like Trump is not officially President until January 20th despite having won the election 2 months ago.

But I'm not a theologian, so what do I know?

[LaCroix]

The conservative order said in a statement it intended to protect its sovereignty from official oversight and its members had the legal right not to cooperate with the Vatican investigation

is this true?

[Razgovory]

It is a Sovereign order.