The Knights of Malta in revolt against the Pope!

Started by The Larch, January 11, 2017, 04:01:39 PM

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Maladict


grumbler

The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Maladict

Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2017, 01:49:31 PM
Quote from: Maladict on January 14, 2017, 12:41:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 13, 2017, 04:55:22 PM
It is a Sovereign order.

A catholic sovereign order.

A sovereign under international law.

I meant that being a catholic organization the pope must have some authority, at least in theory.

edit: but yes, international law would be an additional complication.

grumbler

Quote from: Maladict on January 14, 2017, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2017, 01:49:31 PM
Quote from: Maladict on January 14, 2017, 12:41:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 13, 2017, 04:55:22 PM
It is a Sovereign order.

A catholic sovereign order.

A sovereign under international law.

I meant that being a catholic organization the pope must have some authority, at least in theory.

edit: but yes, international law would be an additional complication.

The Pope's authority in doctrinal matters isn't being challenged; just his power to supervise the administration of the order.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

LaCroix

yeah, I don't see the problem then. if they have authority to say no to an investigation, then they're merely exercising that authority.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Josephus on January 12, 2017, 08:00:32 PM
Of course none of the proddie faiths think that that passage made Peter pope.

He was declared The Rock and held that title until passing it on to Dwayne Johnson.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Maladict

Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2017, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: Maladict on January 14, 2017, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2017, 01:49:31 PM
Quote from: Maladict on January 14, 2017, 12:41:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 13, 2017, 04:55:22 PM
It is a Sovereign order.

A catholic sovereign order.

A sovereign under international law.

I meant that being a catholic organization the pope must have some authority, at least in theory.

edit: but yes, international law would be an additional complication.

The Pope's authority in doctrinal matters isn't being challenged; just his power to supervise the administration of the order.

I read somewhere that the Knights' constitution contains a clause that allows the pope to revoke, or at least compromise, their sovereignty. He's not doing that, of course, but it seems to does have a means to force his authority.