Would you give up a second Obama term to avoid a Trump presidency?

Started by derspiess, January 11, 2017, 12:00:08 PM

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Which scenario is less bad?

Romney defeats Obama in 2012 & is re-elected in 2016; no Trump candidacy
31 (67.4%)
Obama defeats Romney in 2012 & Trump defeats Hillary in 2016
5 (10.9%)
Jaron defeats Jaron in 2012, but then Jaron comes back to beat Jaron in 2016
10 (21.7%)

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derspiess

January 11, 2017, 12:00:08 PM
I think we can all agree that President Obama is one of the best presidents of all time, and that his only fault was not being tough enough on the evil Republicans.  But we also know that Trump is basically Hitler.  So...

If you could jump to an alternate reality where Mitt Romney defeats Obama in the 2012 election and then wins re-election in 2016, keeping Donald Trump out of the presidential picture, would you do that and forgo a glorious second Obama term?
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Valmy

#1
January 11, 2017, 12:01:28 PM
Man you sure do love Obama Spicey. Your green job must be amazing.

But I think Romney is much preferable to Trump.
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frunk

#2
January 11, 2017, 12:02:20 PM
Who do we end up with in 2020 in each scenario?

derspiess

#3
January 11, 2017, 12:04:09 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 11, 2017, 12:01:28 PM
Man you sure do love Obama Spicey. Your green job must be amazing.

I loved him enough to buy five of his plates.  Pretty sure that's more than any of you bought.

QuoteBut I think Romney is much preferable to Trump.

It's not that simple, though.  Is Trump bad enough that you cut Obama's reign in half and deny him all his accomplishments in his second term?
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Habbaku

#4
January 11, 2017, 12:04:45 PM
Would gladly have taken 1-2 terms of Romney.
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The Minsky Moment

#5
January 11, 2017, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 11, 2017, 12:00:08 PM
I think we can all agree that President Obama is one of the best presidents of all time, and that his only fault was not being tough enough on the evil Republicans.  But we also know that Trump is basically Hitler.  So...

If you could jump to an alternate reality where Mitt Romney defeats Obama in the 2012 election and then wins re-election in 2016, keeping Donald Trump out of the presidential picture, would you do that and forgo a glorious second Obama term?

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derspiess

#6
January 11, 2017, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: frunk on January 11, 2017, 12:02:20 PM
Who do we end up with in 2020 in each scenario?

Anyone's guess.  But let's go with a fresh set of GOP and Democrat choices in the alternate reality scenario, and Trump running for re-election in the historical scenario.
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garbon

#7
January 11, 2017, 12:06:15 PM
Of course. I voted for Romney in 2012. :mellow:
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Habbaku

#8
January 11, 2017, 12:09:15 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 11, 2017, 12:06:15 PM
Of course. I voted for Romney in 2012. :mellow:

Yeah, I don't see how this is all that controversial.  Romney was a candidate worthy of the office, at the very least.

I think Spicey might have misread his audience...
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

derspiess

#9
January 11, 2017, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 11, 2017, 12:09:15 PM
I think Spicey might have misread his audience...

I really didn't know what to expect.  Which is why I made the poll.
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frunk

#10
January 11, 2017, 12:12:14 PM
This scenario seems like a no brainer, a more interesting one would be 2012 Romney 2016 Sanders.

Phillip V

#11
January 11, 2017, 12:13:10 PM
I voted for Romney in 2012 and Clinton in 2016.

celedhring

#12
January 11, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 11, 2017, 12:09:15 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 11, 2017, 12:06:15 PM
Of course. I voted for Romney in 2012. :mellow:

Yeah, I don't see how this is all that controversial.  Romney was a candidate worthy of the office, at the very least.

I think Spicey might have misread his audience...

I guess he thinks we're so blindly partisan as he is. I'd happily trade 4 years of Obama to avoid Trump. Meh, Romney was acceptable.

Barrister

#13
January 11, 2017, 12:16:57 PM
I mean for me it's a non-brainer, since I foreigner non-voted for Romney in 2012, but would have non-voted for Clinton just to stop Trump.
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Habbaku

#14
January 11, 2017, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 11, 2017, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 11, 2017, 12:09:15 PM
I think Spicey might have misread his audience...

I really didn't know what to expect.  Which is why I made the poll.

Yes, I'm sure that's why you lead the poll with that idiotic strawman.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien
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