Whither Obamacare?

[citizen k]

Just to make sure that you keep your material updated, it's been more than a decade since that particular "festivity" was forbidden.

I'm sure somewhere there's a llama with a mercury switch detonator up his ass waiting for the countdown to the Feast of St Eggplant's Day over there.  Plenty of greaseball fun to go around.

That was banned during the Franco era.

[The Larch]

Llamas are from South America.

That just adds imperialism and expropriation of native animal life to your nation's dastardly crimes.

Funnily enough nowadays it's the south Americans the ones doing the expropriation part of the deal. 

[garbon]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325336-freedom-caucus-chair-optimistic-about-obamacare-repeal-deal

Freedom Caucus, Trump reach 'agreement in principle' on healthcare

Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) said Wednesday night he and President Trump have come to an "agreement in principle" on a plan to repeal and replace ObamaCare, just one day before a historic House vote on the bill.

"The president and I came to an agreement in principle," Meadows said during an interview with Fox News's Sean Hannity, adding that he was still ironing out a few final details with the White House.

"I think what we're trying to do now is make sure that our agreement is actually something that can be executed in a way that passes the Senate," he added. "There's still work to be done, but I can tell you that the president is all engaged."

The round-the-clock negotiations between the White House, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and the ultraconservative Freedom Caucus have centered on adding to the bill a repeal of ObamaCare's "essential health benefits," as well as other insurance regulations in Title I of the existing health law.

But those changes have now alienated some centrist Republicans, who huddled with Ryan and his leadership team for more than two hours Wednesday night to discuss the impact of moving the bill to the right.

After the meeting, one of the leaders of the centrist Tuesday Group, Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), announced he was opposed to the legislation, warning that the bill would cause too many Americans to lose insurance coverage.

"I believe this bill, in its current form, will lead to the loss of coverage and make insurance unaffordable for too many Americans," Dent said, "particularly for low-to-moderate income and older individuals."

Meadows said President Trump has been the crucial factor in working toward a deal and even personally called him during a Freedom Caucus meeting Wednesday night.

The talks center on conservatives' request to repeal ObamaCare's "essential health benefits," as well as other insurance regulations in Title I of the health law.

A GOP source said the White House has offered to include repeal of the essential health benefits in the bill.

"Our request has been consistent about Title I and essential health benefits and so that's really what we're discussing," Meadows said earlier in the day as he left a meeting with Freedom Caucus colleagues.

"We're encouraged just based on the real willingness of not only the White House but our leadership to make this bill better," he added, noting he hopes to work around the clock to hopefully have a final deal by around noon Thursday. 

Meadows has changed his comments markedly since earlier in the day Wednesday, when he pledged that leaders lacked the votes to pass the bill and called on them to "start over."

Conservatives say repeal of the essential health benefits, which mandate what an insurance plan must cover, is necessary to bring down premiums. Republican leaders had been wary, though, given that it is in doubt whether repeal of those regulations would be allowed under Senate rules that are preventing a Democratic filibuster.

Sources said the House GOP has gotten new information that including repeal of the essential health benefits would not be fatal to the entire bill in the Senate, though the provision could still be challenged under Senate rules.   

But Democrats are warning that repeal of the essential health benefits will not be permitted.

"What the proponents aren't telling conservative House Republicans is that the plan to repeal essential health benefits will almost certainly not be permissible under Senate reconciliation rules," said Matt House, a spokesman for Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). "It will require 60 votes to repeal these protections, and the votes just aren't there in the Senate."
Some Freedom Caucus members are more skeptical a deal can happen.

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) indicated that the White House is only offering repeal of the essential health benefits, and not other insurance regulations that conservatives say must be repealed.

"We've said many times that essential health benefits by themselves would not be enough," added Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.).

"There's no deal in the offing," Amash added. "We don't have any language on anything. We're not sure what kind of language we'll see."

Earlier in the day Trump won over conservative Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) by pledging a Senate vote on an amendment to add repeal of essential health benefits.

But Meadows said that a promised Senate vote is not good enough, and changes must be made in the House.

"There is no denying why he has made so many deals," Meadows said of Trump. "I thought I was a good dealmaker; I'm nothing compared to the president."

[Valmy]

"There is no denying why he has made so many deals," Meadows said of Trump. "I thought I was a good dealmaker; I'm nothing compared to the president."

He thinks he is a good deal maker? The Freedom Caucus doesn't make deals, they are ideologues.

[Eddie Teach]

Yeah, our own Ideologue traded three years of his life for a piece of paper he doesn't use.

[CountDeMoney]

"There is no denying why he has made so many deals," Meadows said of Trump. "I thought I was a good dealmaker; I'm nothing compared to the president."

He thinks he is a good deal maker? The Freedom Caucus doesn't make deals, they are ideologues.

Apparently they want to roll back some base requirements, like coverage for emergency services.

Man, what assholes.

[garbon]

"There is no denying why he has made so many deals," Meadows said of Trump. "I thought I was a good dealmaker; I'm nothing compared to the president."

He thinks he is a good deal maker? The Freedom Caucus doesn't make deals, they are ideologues.

Apparently they want to roll back some base requirements, like coverage for emergency services.

Man, what assholes.

I don't understand all of this. What is the appeal of their cartoon villainy? No wonder Hollywood has run out of stories.

[Valmy]

Why do you hate freedom Seedy?

[CountDeMoney]

Why do you hate freedom Seedy?

What, the freedom not to call for an ambulance?    Real Americans walk on their own dimes!

[garbon]

Why do you hate freedom Seedy?

What, the freedom not to call for an ambulance?    Real Americans walk on their own dimes!

Phone a friend?

[CountDeMoney]

I don't understand all of this. What is the appeal of their cartoon villainy? No wonder Hollywood has run out of stories.

And Ryan and Mulvaney are fucking Catholics, man.  You'd think a Jesuit Pope that can open the Church's heart to gays, would have the stones to excommunicate these two little assholes.

[CountDeMoney]

Why do you hate freedom Seedy?

What, the freedom not to call for an ambulance?    Real Americans walk on their own dimes!

Phone a friend?

I forgot. Gig economy.

[The Minsky Moment]

And Ryan and Mulvaney are fucking Catholics, man.  You'd think a Jesuit Pope that can open the Church's heart to gays, would have the stones to excommunicate these two little assholes.

At least Ryan pretends to care.  Mulvaney truly is a cartoon villain

[garbon]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325456-gop-lawmakers-leave-trump-white-house-with-no-deal

GOP lawmakers leave Trump White House with no deal

GOP lawmakers leaving the White House after a meeting with President Trump said they have not reached a deal that would allow them to support an ObamaCare repeal-and-replace bill set for a vote Thursday.

Republicans appear short of the 215 votes they'd need to win the tally, leading several lawmakers to predict that the vote will have to be delayed until Friday.

The members streaming out of the White House just after 1 p.m. characterized the meeting positively but showed no signs of a shift toward more favorable ground for the White House.

"Nothing new was agreed upon," said Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.)

He added the group will "go back and consider our options."

House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) told reporters on Capitol Hill that "there are not enough votes" to pass the bill.

Republicans need 215 votes to win passage, meaning they can afford 22 defections. A whip list kept by The Hill shows that five dozen members are either planning to vote no, leaning against the bill or uncertain of how they vote. A full 30 members on that list are no votes.

[FunkMonk]

 

And Ryan and Mulvaney are fucking Catholics, man.  You'd think a Jesuit Pope that can open the Church's heart to gays, would have the stones to excommunicate these two little assholes.

At least Ryan pretends to care.  Mulvaney truly is a cartoon villain

They're followers of the Church of Rand. Objectivism is strong in them.