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Robert McNamara dies

Started by Weatherman, July 06, 2009, 10:07:02 AM

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DGuller

Damn, famous people are dropping like flies.  Soon we'll have to start "Joe Blow is still alive" threads.

Syt

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :weep:
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DontSayBanana

Quote from: DGuller on July 06, 2009, 10:11:32 AM
Damn, famous people are dropping like flies.  Soon we'll have to start "Joe Blow is still alive" threads.

:blink: Seriously. Seems like Ed and Farrah started an avalanche. :unsure:
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The Brain

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Caliga

RIP. :(

Though I thought he died several years ago for some reason.  :huh:
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Habbaku

Quote from: DGuller on July 06, 2009, 10:11:32 AM
Damn, famous people are dropping like flies.  Soon we'll have to start "Joe Blow is still alive" threads.

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Darth Wagtaros

I liked Fog of War.  But he sounded like a pompous ass.
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saskganesh

Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 06, 2009, 12:35:48 PM
I liked Fog of War.  But he sounded like a pompous ass.

meh. and he still declined to admit he made big mistakes.

no statues for him.

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Razgovory

He did good work in the car industry though.
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Syt

Quote from: saskganesh on July 06, 2009, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 06, 2009, 12:35:48 PM
I liked Fog of War.  But he sounded like a pompous ass.

meh. and he still declined to admit he made big mistakes.

:huh:
http://www.legacy.com/WashingtonPost/DeathNotices.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonID=129358811
Quote"We of the Kennedy and Johnson administrations acted according to what we thought were the principles and traditions of our country. But we were wrong. We were terribly wrong," McNamara, then 78, told The Associated Press in an interview ahead of the book's release.

[...]

McNamara wrote that he and others had not asked the five most basic questions: "Was it true that the fall of South Vietnam would trigger the fall of all Southeast Asia? Would that constitute a grave threat to the West's security? What kind of war — conventional or guerrilla — might develop? Could we win it with U.S. troops fighting alongside the South Vietnamese? Should we not know the answers to all these questions before deciding whether to commit troops?
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Jaron

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saskganesh

Quote from: Syt on July 06, 2009, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 06, 2009, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 06, 2009, 12:35:48 PM
I liked Fog of War.  But he sounded like a pompous ass.

meh. and he still declined to admit he made big mistakes.

:huh:
http://www.legacy.com/WashingtonPost/DeathNotices.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonID=129358811
Quote"We of the Kennedy and Johnson administrations acted according to what we thought were the principles and traditions of our country. But we were wrong. We were terribly wrong," McNamara, then 78, told The Associated Press in an interview ahead of the book's release.

[...]

McNamara wrote that he and others had not asked the five most basic questions: "Was it true that the fall of South Vietnam would trigger the fall of all Southeast Asia? Would that constitute a grave threat to the West's security? What kind of war — conventional or guerrilla — might develop? Could we win it with U.S. troops fighting alongside the South Vietnamese? Should we not know the answers to all these questions before deciding whether to commit troops?

OK, it's good he finally copped to it.

I saw Fog Of War, and I thought he spent more time defending his atrocious record. "Yes, I was wrong, but really, I was kinda right!"

I think he was apologising more for failing.
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Norgy

Yeah, I am with sask.

Still, RIP.