CIA: Senate briefed in September on Russian efforts to deliver a Trump victory

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FunkMonk

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 11, 2017, 12:06:24 PM
I think he had sex with miners.  it's the only explanation for the coal fetish.

Stop taking the piss out of poor Donald.
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Jacob

Quote from: Syt on January 11, 2017, 03:47:07 AM
Honestly, though, if "Grab'em by the pussy" didn't topple him, I doubt this will.

One side will believe the stories, both about sexual adventures and untoward business dependencies with hostile nations, and the other side will brush it off as fake, exaggerated, or a distraction from the real problems.

If people hear variations of the same story repeated again and again, it will sway some of them. That's how this stuff works, I reckon.

Jacob

Quote from: Tamas on January 11, 2017, 05:49:32 AM
You have to concede though, the "alt-right" and the Russians are much better in how online communication works.

Yeah, I think they've got a good playbook.

garbon

Quote from: Jacob on January 11, 2017, 12:45:20 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 11, 2017, 03:47:07 AM
Honestly, though, if "Grab'em by the pussy" didn't topple him, I doubt this will.

One side will believe the stories, both about sexual adventures and untoward business dependencies with hostile nations, and the other side will brush it off as fake, exaggerated, or a distraction from the real problems.

If people hear variations of the same story repeated again and again, it will sway some of them. That's how this stuff works, I reckon.

True. Just think about that person who personally murdered Vince Foster and J. Christopher Stevens.
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Syt

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-steele-idUKKBN14W0HV

QuoteFormer MI-6 spy known to U.S. agencies is author of reports on Trump in Russia

Christopher Steele, who wrote reports on compromising material Russian operatives allegedly had collected on U.S. President-elect Donald Trump, is a former officer in Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, according to people familiar with his career.

Former British intelligence officials said Steele spent years under diplomatic cover working for the agency, also known as MI-6, in Russia and Paris and at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London.

After he left the spy service, Steele supplied the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) with information on corruption at FIFA, international soccer's governing body.

It was his work on corruption in international soccer that lent credence to his reporting on Trump's entanglements in Russia, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

Emails seen by Reuters indicate that, in the summer of 2010, members of a New York-based FBI squad assigned to investigate "Eurasian Organized Crime" met Steele in London to discuss allegations of possible corruption in FIFA, the Swiss-based body that also organises the World Cup tournament.

People familiar with Steele's activities said his British-based company, Orbis Business Intelligence, was hired by the Football Association, Britain's domestic soccer governing body, to investigate FIFA. At the time, the Football Association was hoping to host the 2018 or 2022 World Cups. British corporate records show that Orbis was formed in March 2009.

Amid a swirl of corruption allegations, the 2018 World Cup was awarded to Moscow and Qatar was chosen to host the 2022 competition.

The FBI squad whose members met Steele subsequently opened a major investigation into alleged soccer corruption that led to dozens of U.S. indictments, including those of prominent international soccer officials.

Senior FIFA officials, including long-time president Sepp Blatter, were forced to resign.

SHIFTING GEARS

Steele was initially hired by FusionGPS, a Washington, DC-based political research firm, to investigate Trump on behalf of unidentified Republicans who wanted to stop Trump's bid for the GOP nomination. The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) reported that Steele was initially hired by Jeb Bush, one of Trump's 16 opponents in the 2016 Republican primary. It was not immediately possibly to verify the BBC's report.

He was kept on assignment by FusionGPS after Trump won the nomination and his information was circulated to Democratic Party figures and members of the media.

Steele's dealings with the FBI on Trump, initially with the senior agent who had started the FIFA probe and then moved to a post in Europe, began in July. However, Steele cut off contact with the FBI about a month before the Nov. 8 election because he was frustrated by the bureau's slow progress. 

The FBI opened preliminary investigations into Trump and his entourage's dealings with Russians that were based in part on Steele's reports, according to people familiar with the inquiries.

However, they said the Bureau shifted into low gear in the weeks before the election to avoid interfering in the vote. They said Steele grew frustrated and stopped dealing with the FBI after concluding it was not seriously investigating the material he had provided.

Steele's reports circulated for months among major media outlets, including Reuters, but neither the news organizations nor U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies have been able to corroborate them.

BuzzFeed published some of Steele's reports about Trump on its website on Tuesday but the President-elect and his aides later said the reports were false. Russian authorities also dismissed them.

Associates of Steele said on Wednesday he was unavailable for comment. Christopher Burrows, a director and co-founder of Orbis with Steele, told The Wall Street Journal, which first published Steele's name, that he could not confirm or deny that Steele's company had produced the reports on Trump.
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viper37

QuoteHowever, they said the Bureau shifted into low gear in the weeks before the election to avoid interfering in the vote.
They were way too busy investigating Hillary's e-mail documents to see if she ever talked about drone strikes to search for such non serious matter.  I mean, what is the possibility of a presidential candidate being the tool of an hostile foreign power compared to the possibility of having another Democrat in the White House?  Even Derspiess would agree they made the right call.
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DontSayBanana

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 13, 2017, 02:55:03 PM
So Britain also tried to hack the election?  :lol:

Allegedly, Jeb Bush hired Steele to do oppo research on Trump, and this is what Steele came up with.

Also, allegedly, Steele has gone dark because he thinks the Russkies aren't too happy about the allegations going public (weakening their use as blackmail material- go fig; if any of the accusations are true, Donald should actually be thanking whoever leaked it for popping the pressure relief valve, so to speak).
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LaCroix

Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 13, 2017, 09:34:21 PMhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/christopher-steelethe-former-british-spy-created-donald-trump/

Which was, BTW, linked in the Trump Presidency thread, making me wonder whether you've been taking the time to actually fact-check your repartee over there if you haven't even been checking the links.

did you edit out this part because the link wasn't in that thread or?

DontSayBanana

Quote from: LaCroix on January 13, 2017, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 13, 2017, 09:34:21 PMhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/christopher-steelethe-former-british-spy-created-donald-trump/

Which was, BTW, linked in the Trump Presidency thread, making me wonder whether you've been taking the time to actually fact-check your repartee over there if you haven't even been checking the links.

did you edit out this part because the link wasn't in that thread or?

:lol: Nice jumpy trigger finger on the reply, as I almost immediately edited that out for that reason, realizing I found that particular link on Reddit.
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grumbler

Quote from: LaCroix on January 13, 2017, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 13, 2017, 09:34:21 PMhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/christopher-steelethe-former-british-spy-created-donald-trump/

Which was, BTW, linked in the Trump Presidency thread, making me wonder whether you've been taking the time to actually fact-check your repartee over there if you haven't even been checking the links.

did you edit out this part because the link wasn't in that thread or?

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