Sorry, Louise Casey, but Muslim women are held back by discrimination

[Valmy]

NO I WONT

So after Donald Trump and a Muslim woman was attacked in the park by three drunks who ripped off her hijab and told her to "go back to her own country", this was an attempt to save someone from misogyny?

Of course. They were trying to tell her the United States is a sexist and racist hell hole and best to go back to where she came from.

[The Brain]

The truth hurts I guess.

Seems rather unlikely that her problems would just vanish if she stopped donning a hijab, no?

not wearing a piece of clothing that screams mysogyny helps.

Well it screams it to you.

not my problem if you can't accept the facts.

I do accept facts. I don't accept blind hate.

Blind hates can be fun.

[grumbler]

not wearing a piece of clothing that screams mysogyny helps.

I think that, if you actually met a Muslim woman, a lot of your screaming delusions would be put to rest.

[grumbler]

It's interesting that cultural attire is apparently only possibly legitimately meaningful if the argument is about whether some group ought to be free to wear it without it having meaning for anyone else.

IE, wearing a hijab should have zero meaning when it comes to how anyone perceives the person wearing it, but we must protect their right to wear it because it has such profound meaning to them.

I think wearing a hijab has meaning to the people who wear it, and hence it is unrealistic to demand that everyone else look on it with complete neutrality. It is not neutral at all.

Of course the hajib has meaning, just as the turban does, the yarmulke, the kilt, etc.  Who looks on any of those with "complete neutrality?"

[CountDeMoney]

[Zoupa]

I'm not sure what your point is garbon. There's discrimination in the UK? That's not news is it? There's discrimination everywhere. We don't even know what field her degree is in. That might a big chunk of her problems.

[dps]

I'm not sure what your point is garbon. There's discrimination in the UK? That's not news is it? There's discrimination everywhere. We don't even know what field her degree is in. That might a big chunk of her problems.

If her degree is in the liberal arts, it doesn't mean squat as far as employment outside of academia is concerned.

[derspiess]

NO I WONT

So after Donald Trump and a Muslim woman was attacked in the park by three drunks who ripped off her hijab and told her to "go back to her own country", this was an attempt to save someone from misogyny?

Are you talking about the "hate crime" incident that didn't actually happen?

[Jacob]

I expect that if Muslim women stopped wearing hijab, the anti-hijab people would pick some other thing to pick on.

What is this expectation based on?

The fact that most of the people ranting about misogyny and hijab have significant records of being anti Muslim before they gave a fuck about misogyny as it affects Muslim women.  And yes,  that includes crazy Ivan.

[Jacob]

And the fact that as far as I know the "hijab = misogyny"  folks seem to give zero fucks about misogyny in any other shape or form,  but they have a lot of other opinions about how Islam is terrible.

[DGuller]

not wearing a piece of clothing that screams mysogyny helps.

I expect that if Muslim women stopped wearing hijab, the anti-hijab people would pick some other thing to pick on.

I also expect that some anti-hijab people are truly and uniquely revolted by the hijab itself.

[Eddie Teach]

And the fact that as far as I know the "hijab = misogyny"  folks seem to give zero fucks about misogyny in any other shape or form,  but they have a lot of other opinions about how Islam is terrible.

It's not a critique of Islam, but of westerners who call themselves feminists and get in a tizzy about much milder things than that(like "mansplaining" or "manspreading") but have a blind spot toward Islamic misogyny.

[garbon]

I'm not sure what your point is garbon. There's discrimination in the UK? That's not news is it? There's discrimination everywhere. We don't even know what field her degree is in. That might a big chunk of her problems.

What a strange follow-up rebuke.

[Valmy]

It's interesting that cultural attire is apparently only possibly legitimately meaningful if the argument is about whether some group ought to be free to wear it without it having meaning for anyone else.

IE, wearing a hijab should have zero meaning when it comes to how anyone perceives the person wearing it, but we must protect their right to wear it because it has such profound meaning to them.

I think wearing a hijab has meaning to the people who wear it, and hence it is unrealistic to demand that everyone else look on it with complete neutrality. It is not neutral at all.

Of course the hajib has meaning, just as the turban does, the yarmulke, the kilt, etc.  Who looks on any of those with "complete neutrality?"

People in turbans make me sikh.

[Razgovory]

NO I WONT

So after Donald Trump and a Muslim woman was attacked in the park by three drunks who ripped off her hijab and told her to "go back to her own country", this was an attempt to save someone from misogyny?

Are you talking about the "hate crime" incident that didn't actually happen?

No.