What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[grumbler]

No he isn't a conservative, fiscal or otherwise.  He isn't religious at all, he has refused to swear on the Bible.

Just to be clear, he did not at all refuse to swear on a bible (he did so the first time and had someone holding the bibles for the second one), he was just too confused to remember that he was supposed to place his hand on the bible.

[viper37]

No he isn't a conservative, fiscal or otherwise.  He isn't religious at all, he has refused to swear on the Bible.

he was just too confused to remember that he was supposed to place his hand on the bible.

Ok.  We have a dude with dementia signing decrees written by ChatGPT governing the most powerful country in the world instead of being simply an amoral dick.  I'm reassured, I can sleep soundly tonight.

[grumbler]

No he isn't a conservative, fiscal or otherwise.  He isn't religious at all, he has refused to swear on the Bible.

he was just too confused to remember that he was supposed to place his hand on the bible.

Ok.  We have a dude with dementia signing decrees written by ChatGPT governing the most powerful country in the world instead of being simply an amoral dick.  I'm reassured, I can sleep soundly tonight.

Okay, dude, if you want to make a big deal out of a simple correction of facts, go nuts.

[DGuller]

You like Tulsi and Brainrot JR???

I was referring to Barrister's replies.

[Solmyr]

Apparently trans people are being denied passport renewal, even under their original gender. Welcome to fascism and oppression, I guess.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/01/trump-executive-order-trans-passport-renewal-gender.html

[garbon]

I liked the second.

Of course because it is a simplistic answer. At no point will every single person on the left became on message, just the same of those on the right. Yet somehow people felt controlled to vote for Trump because of commentary by some people on the left.

[Razgovory]

Apparently trans people are being denied passport renewal, even under their original gender. Welcome to fascism and oppression, I guess.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/01/trump-executive-order-trans-passport-renewal-gender.html

That's really, really bad.

[Tamas]

Apparently trans people are being denied passport renewal, even under their original gender. Welcome to fascism and oppression, I guess.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/01/trump-executive-order-trans-passport-renewal-gender.html

That's really, really bad.

But THE BORDER! EGGS!

[garbon]

Apparently trans people are being denied passport renewal, even under their original gender. Welcome to fascism and oppression, I guess.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/01/trump-executive-order-trans-passport-renewal-gender.html

While all this unnecessary pain and confusion is infuriating, can you provide evidence of your claim?

I didn't see any evidence of anyone being denied a passport and nothing about under their 'original' gender beyond the white house spokesperson saying you can get it for their 'God-given sex'. I see one person E who says their passport is currently in limbo but that seems like flimsy evidence to say they have been 'denied passport renewal, even under their original gender'.

[viper37]

Pentagon strips Gen Mark Milley of US security detail and clearance

The Department of Defense Office of Inspector General has also been told to "conduct an inquiry into the facts and circumstances surrounding Gen Milley's conduct so that the Secretary may determine whether it is appropriate to reopen his military grade review determination", the statement said.

Do not contradict or criticize the Führer. Be warned.

[The Minsky Moment]

Btw, say hello to your new history programs:

"Patriotic education" means a presentation of the history of America grounded in:
(i)    an accurate, honest, unifying, inspiring, and ennobling characterization of America's founding and foundational principles;
(ii)  a clear examination of how the United States has admirably grown closer to its noble principles throughout its history;
(iii)  the concept that commitment to America's aspirations is beneficial and justified; and
(iv)  the concept that celebration of America's greatness and history is proper."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-indoctrination-in-k-12-schooling/

It's the language of "foundational principles".  Those principles are admittedly noble and worth aspiring to.  But the language quoted above seemingly admits that the US has NOT always lived up to those principles.  That was a key rhetorical flourish to both Lincoln and MLK - that America should live up to its own principles.

As long as a history lesson remains committed to being "accurate" and "honest" - I also seem value in trying to ensure that a patriotic message is also passed on.

The "admission" that America has not always lived up to its principles is indirectly contained in a statement that is false: that "the United States has admirably grown closer to its noble principles throughout its history."  That Whiggish notion of a continuous progression is fundamentally dishonest and the dishonesty is not accidental.  "Progress" in the US has flowed and ebbed across time, with brief periods of rapid progress (Civil War/early reconstruction, the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s) followed by sometimes long periods of reaction.  Teaching the truth means delivering the message that America has progressed only through bitterly contested and hard won battles over determined opposition, and that progress cannot be taken for granted and is easily lost. It is no surprise that an administration that openly seeks to roll back political and civil rights wants to cram down a dishonest narrative of steady magical progression.

there may be a few who teach full-on 1619 Project that America's foundation was built on racism and slavery, but I doubt very much it's widespread. 

This gets more into Oex's territory than mine, but the cold hard fact is that America's foundation was built on the despoliation and exploitation of native peoples, on piracy (in the late 17th century about half the specie circulating in the American colonies was of Spanish or Mughal origin) and most of all on the Atlantic wide slave system. Colonists may have worked hard farming land, but where did that land come from?  Merchants and traders worked cannily to build a viable commercial system but to a man every one of them was implicated in the slave trade.  The Atlantic economy with the American colonies in the central (middle) position would have collapsed without the brutalities of slavery and the steady supply of land wrenched away from natives.

For educational purposes there is a basic choice between confronting the truth and addressing it in a mature way versus covering up in comforting fairy tales.  The distinction is the difference between a true patriotic education and a crassly nationalistic one.  A true patriot need not flinch from the uncomfortable truths of the past.  Love of country does not mean blindness to its faults any more than love of family.  Patriotic education requires a clear eyed view of both the heroic and the malign aspects of the national past, as well as the quotidian.  A sound national character can never be grounded in bullshit.  That road leads to the terminal point of Putinism.