What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Barrister]

European freeriding and reliance on US defence is pretty shabby behaviour by such wealthy countries.

Canada too.

[Valmy]

As I have repeated several times: de Gaulle was correct. The United States will eventually abandon Europe. Europe will need to see to its own defense sooner or later. If it wasn't Trump it would have been somebody else.

And Europe certainly shouldn't be relying on Russia or China.

[Habbaku]

As I have repeated several times: de Gaulle was correct.

You cannot go wrong just writing this down and re-reading it every day.

[Habbaku]

Europe was at its most dynamic and growth-oriented when they had to furnish their own defense. Maybe a little dash of military-industrial complex isn't so bad for a country.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Europe was at its most dynamic and growth-oriented when they had to furnish their own defense. Maybe a little dash of military-industrial complex isn't so bad for a country.

Helps with innovation too.

[Norgy]

How close are you to the 2 percent?

Well above now, but what to spend it on is a different matter. The national service was made voluntary. I know we've spent a fair amount on Nammo and Kongsberg and that for some odd reason Norway's at the forefront in small missile development.

I remember seeing the M-72 tested as a drone weapon. And, Beeb can find his noose again, it blew me away.

[Norgy]

I should add, Norway's armed forces have always been focused on defence, and we lack main battle tanks now, because we gave most to the Ukrainians.
While the JSF is still raising a few eyebrows, our old F-16s are now put to good use training Ukrainian pilots. And as fighter-bombers go, they are still useful.

One thing I always find a bit funny is that MiG is Norwegian slang for "piss".

[Sheilbh]

As I have repeated several times: de Gaulle was correct. The United States will eventually abandon Europe. Europe will need to see to its own defense sooner or later. If it wasn't Trump it would have been somebody else.

And Europe certainly shouldn't be relying on Russia or China.

We've basically had a long, brutal century of being shown the French are consistently right

Edit: Oh God, this is going to end with me advocating nuking Greenpeace...

[Barrister]

Edit: Oh God, this is going to end with me advocating nuking Greenpeace...

Go on...

[HVC]

Edit: Oh God, this is going to end with me advocating nuking Greenpeace...

I've never loved you more. 

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Edit: Oh God, this is going to end with me advocating nuking Greenpeace...

should have been done ages ago

[Admiral Yi]

What really grinds my gears about NATO and 2% is the number of times folks over there have said "this time we really mean it."  It's insulting to be lied to that many times.

[Norgy]

What really grinds my gears about NATO and 2% is the number of times folks over there have said "this time we really mean it."  It's insulting to be lied to that many times.

Said he who comes from a country with a Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump history.

My colleague was at laying the ground stone for a new arms factory just around the corner here yesterday. We are actually serious about this.

"TWO PERCENT? NO, LET'S GO ALL IN! FOUR!"

Not since WWII has Norway, nor Sweden, seen such increases in defence budgets. It almost feels like we're preparing for war.

[The Minsky Moment]

As I have repeated several times: de Gaulle was correct. The United States will eventually abandon Europe.

60+ years is quite bit of time for a prediction to play out.  A lot of people could look pretty smart if they got that much of a cushion on their predictions. 

[HVC]

As I have repeated several times: de Gaulle was correct. The United States will eventually abandon Europe.

60+ years is quite bit of time for a prediction to play out.  A lot of people could look pretty smart if they got that much of a cushion on their predictions. 

I'm calling cold fusion. I'll be a genius in 100 to 200 years time