What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[The Brain]

Thanks.

[Syt]

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-international-news-angela-merkel-democracy-1723fd372b9c280cfc39fbcb43e0145e

Reaction from around the world to the storming of the U.S. Capitol by supporters of President Donald Trump:

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"A fundamental rule of democracy is that, after elections, there are winners and losers. Both have to play their role with decency and responsibility so that democracy itself remains the winner....President Trump regrettably has not conceded his defeat since November, and didn't yesterday either, and of course that has prepared the atmosphere in which such events, such violent events, are possible." — German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

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"What is happening is wrong. Democracy — the right of people to exercise a vote, have their voice heard and then have that decision upheld peacefully — should never be undone by a mob." — New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.

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"Shocking scenes in Washington, D.C. The outcome of this democratic election must be respected." — NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg.

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"American democracy is obviously limping on both feet....This, alas, is actually the bottom. I say this without a shadow of gloating. America no longer charts a course and therefore has lost all rights to set it — and even more so to impose it on others." — Konstantin Kosachev, head of the foreign affairs committee in Russia's upper house of parliament.

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"The rampage at the Capitol yesterday was a disgraceful act and it must be vigorously condemned." — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

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"Last year, President Trump extended painful economic sanctions placed on Zimbabwe, citing concerns about Zimbabwe's democracy. Yesterday's events showed that the U.S. has no moral right to punish another nation under the guise of upholding democracy. These sanctions must end." — Zimbabwe President Emmerson Mnangagwa.

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"Distressed to see news about rioting and violence in Washington DC. Orderly and peaceful transfer of power must continue. The democratic process cannot be allowed to be subverted through unlawful protests." — Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

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"I unreservedly condemn encouraging people to behave in the disgraceful way that they did in the Capitol. And all I can say is I'm very pleased that the president-elect has now been duly confirmed in office and that democracy has prevailed." — British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

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"We call on leaders from across the political spectrum, including the President of the United States, to disavow false and dangerous narratives, and encourage their supporters to do so as well. We note with dismay the serious threats and destruction of property faced by media professionals yesterday." — U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet.

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"The world considered America as a successful model of democracy, but we have witnessed the chaos, the assault against congress members and the looting. Same as third-world countries!" — Iraqi lawmaker Hakim al-Zamili.

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"We must call this out for what it is: a deliberate assault on Democracy by a sitting President & his supporters, attempting to overturn a free & fair election! The world is watching!" — Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney.

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"I warned you: it's bad when (people) walk down the street, it's even worse when they walk into the courtyards, it will be unbearable when they come to your apartments. We must not allow this." —- Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko.

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"The scenes we saw are the result of lies and yet more lies, of division and contempt for democracy, of hatred and rabble-rousing, including from the very highest level. This is a historic turning point for the United States, and it is an attack on liberal democracy as a whole. But I am sure that American democracy is stronger than this hatred." — German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier.

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"Everywhere there is a Trump, so each of us has to defend the Capitol." — Donald Tusk, former European Union leader, former prime minister of Poland.

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"This is an internal affair of the United States. At the same time, we draw attention to the fact that the electoral system in the United States is archaic; it does not meet modern democratic standards, creating opportunities for numerous violations, and the American media have become an instrument of political struggle." — Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

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"The scenes from the U.S. Capitol show how dangerous the rhetoric of hatred is. Contempt for democratic institutions erodes citizens' rights and can undermine political order." — Slovakian President Zuzana Caputova.

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"All should be very troubled by the violence taking place in Washington D.C. We hope American democracy is resilient, deeply rooted and will overcome this crisis. Democracy presupposes peaceful protest, but violence and death threats —from Left or Right— are ALWAYS wrong." — Slovenian Prime Minister Janez Jansa.

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"This is a lesson to be learnt: that strong institutions and not strong personalities are the bulwark of a rich democratic culture." — former Nigerian vice president Atiku Abubakar, a recent losing presidential candidate.

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"Presidents who don't do much good and are unwilling to leave, we know that in Afghanistan." — former Afghan government adviser Torek Farhadi.

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"The right to vote, the voice of the citizen exercising their democratic rights, alongside the strength of the judiciary and maintaining the rule of law, must be principles shared by us all. Even with the pain, the disagreement and the atmosphere of mistrust, we must never forget that." — Israeli President Reuven Rivlin.

[celedhring]

Not a single quote from a Spanish official, understandable since they have spent the last 24h accusing each other of being more like Trump 

[The Brain]

What was the deal with even bog-standard office security measures being out of action in the Capitol building? Offices unlocked, or only having antique doors made of wood and glass? Computers left unlocked? Even on a good day the building is crawling with your political opponents...

Is it for legal reasons senators don't lock their offices? "-Anyone could have put it there, officer!"

[The Larch]

Not a single quote from a Spanish official, understandable since they have spent the last 24h accusing each other of being more like Trump 

Pedro Sánchez did express his concern and trust in the strength of American democracy, or somesuch. Borrell also made a statement.

[garbon]

Congress is pissed.  The backlash here is worse than the impeachment.  I think Trump just found out what actually will turn his people against him.  All it it took was two senate seats, 360,000 American lives and launching a fucking coupe.

Congresspeople don't like having their lives threatened.

[Sheilbh]

What was the deal with even bog-standard office security measures being out of action in the Capitol building? Offices unlocked, or only having antique doors made of wood and glass? Computers left unlocked? Even on a good day the building is crawling with your political opponents...

Is it for legal reasons senators don't lock their offices? "-Anyone could have put it there, officer!"

Well also I read that Reps and Senators couldn't be taken to a lockdown centre which cost $700million and was built after 9/11 because, apparently, the Trump people had got into the centre so it was no longer secure. And I have a lot of questions about how that $700million was spent on a secure location if it was breached by this lot

[The Brain]

What was the deal with even bog-standard office security measures being out of action in the Capitol building? Offices unlocked, or only having antique doors made of wood and glass? Computers left unlocked? Even on a good day the building is crawling with your political opponents...

Is it for legal reasons senators don't lock their offices? "-Anyone could have put it there, officer!"

Well also I read that Reps and Senators couldn't be taken to a lockdown centre which cost $700million and was built after 9/11 because, apparently, the Trump people had got into the centre so it was no longer secure. And I have a lot of questions about how that $700million was spent on a secure location if it was breached by this lot

If that is true then wow.

[garbon]

The problem with viciously charging and imprisoning the bad guys after the election is that the bad guys can do the same when they inevitably win next time. Trump has shown how easy the system can be manipulated and if a competent leader wins that manipulation can be done with a plan.

Even though it feels wrong I think the best way is to take a leaf from Deng's and Mandelas textbook. Don't go after your enemies after victory, and make damn sure that all shenanigans are publicly exposed through some truth commission. Neutralize them by their own deeds and not by locking them up.

Then something needs to be done about the media and social media to stop this insanity. I have no clue as to what can be done, it's very difficult to destroy these self re-inforcing echo chambers. If nothing is done it's just a matter of time before an equally insane leftist Qanon and then... Well.. Fuck...

What truth has yet to be exposed that would have any impact?

[Sheilbh]

What truth has yet to be exposed that would have any impact?

And it reminds me more of a doomsday cult than anything like normal political trends. They have been expecting the Storm where Donald Trump will seize power and start arresting all the satanist paedophiles in the US/world establishment. The Storm won't come. Donald Trump will leave office. But, and I could be wrong, I don't anticipate that Qanoners will reconsider their belief in the oncoming storm - it'll just be like when various cults end of the world predictions don't come true. Like those cults I suspect Qanon might fracture, but I don't think they'll ever move to thinking they got it wrong.

[Solmyr]

Right now, according to the cultists, that new Trump video was either a deep fake or a false flag operation where he employs a lot of double speak, and he is in fact preparing to transition to the new Trump/Flynn administration.

[Duque de Bragança]

Just in case, Jamiroquai confirms he was not part of the crowd who stormed the Capitol.

Jamiroquai
@JamiroquaiHQ
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Good Morning Washington, loving the headgear, but not sure that's my crowd. Stay safe everyone, J xxx

https://twitter.com/JamiroquaiHQ/status/1347166475388395521

[Tamas]

What was the deal with even bog-standard office security measures being out of action in the Capitol building? Offices unlocked, or only having antique doors made of wood and glass? Computers left unlocked? Even on a good day the building is crawling with your political opponents...

Is it for legal reasons senators don't lock their offices? "-Anyone could have put it there, officer!"

Well also I read that Reps and Senators couldn't be taken to a lockdown centre which cost $700million and was built after 9/11 because, apparently, the Trump people had got into the centre so it was no longer secure. And I have a lot of questions about how that $700million was spent on a secure location if it was breached by this lot

It wasn't planned against white people with USA flags.

[Sheilbh]

Incidentally I've always taken the view you should welcome converts whenever. But McConnell, De Vos and Barr are really, really testing that view

[The Larch]

Incidentally I've always taken the view you should welcome converts whenever. But McConnell, De Vos and Barr are really, really testing that view

A convert is one thing, a rat leaving a sinking ship is a different one.