What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Syt]

Joe Scarborough sounds a bit agitated; not sure I heard him use the f-word before:

https://twitter.com/hollerella/status/1347144305836773376?s=20

[Syt]

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1347023890959228933?s=20

Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins

White House officials were shaken by Trump's reaction to a mob of his supporters descending on the Capitol today. He was described to me as borderline enthusiastic because it meant the certification was being derailed. It has genuinely freaked people out.

How are people still surprised by this?

[The Brain]

Republicans have one problem with the coup: that it failed.

[The Minsky Moment]

Still 13 days left ...

[Tonitrus]

Still 13 days left ...

Good thing it isn't May.

[Caliga]

Republicans have one problem with the coup: that it failed.

I have to say that as despicable as Hawley, Cruz, etc. have been behaving, I don't think they wanted yesterday to happen and were probably shocked it went that far.  They've just been posturing to try to get his supporters to support them as well.  They are opportunists, not seditionists.

[The Brain]

Republicans have one problem with the coup: that it failed.

I have to say that as despicable as Hawley, Cruz, etc. have been behaving, I don't think they wanted yesterday to happen and were probably shocked it went that far.  They've just been posturing to try to get his supporters to support them as well.  They are opportunists, not seditionists.

They would have praised Trump from the rooftops if the coup had succeeded.

[Syt]

Republicans have one problem with the coup: that it failed.

I have to say that as despicable as Hawley, Cruz, etc. have been behaving, I don't think they wanted yesterday to happen and were probably shocked it went that far.  They've just been posturing to try to get his supporters to support them as well.  They are opportunists, not seditionists.

Yeah, that's why after the riot they changed their tune and certified OH WAIT

[Caliga]

Yeah, that's why after the riot they changed their tune and certified OH WAIT

Nah, that's just because one of the hallmarks of a hardcore Republican is total inability to admit you've made a mistake, ever.

[FunkMonk]

Republicans have one problem with the coup: that it failed.

I have to say that as despicable as Hawley, Cruz, etc. have been behaving, I don't think they wanted yesterday to happen and were probably shocked it went that far.  They've just been posturing to try to get his supporters to support them as well.  They are opportunists, not seditionists.

It takes two to tango.

[alfred russel]

Republicans have one problem with the coup: that it failed.

I have to say that as despicable as Hawley, Cruz, etc. have been behaving, I don't think they wanted yesterday to happen and were probably shocked it went that far.  They've just been posturing to try to get his supporters to support them as well.  They are opportunists, not seditionists.

There were 6 senators that voted to reject votes...Hawley and Cruz among them. Were they opportunistically posturing? No doubt. But I think you have to take them at face value and assume they would have voted that way if they had 45 others join them to reject the results. And the result of such a vote would be the entire election set aside, as well as the state roles in the process, and have congress deciding the next president unilaterally.

I think those votes crossed the rubicon. I know there has been a lot of hand wringing about Trump's stupid lawsuits and his stupid statements. He has a right to pursue his cause in court, no matter how stupid he and his lawyers are. He has a right to say things that he believes, even if they are stupid and wrong. But you don't get to overturn elections when you lose.

[Solmyr]

You mean this Hawley?

[Sheilbh]

Republicans have one problem with the coup: that it failed.

I have to say that as despicable as Hawley, Cruz, etc. have been behaving, I don't think they wanted yesterday to happen and were probably shocked it went that far.  They've just been posturing to try to get his supporters to support them as well.  They are opportunists, not seditionists.

It takes two to tango.

Also you can't say that you think there's a real risk the election was stolen and then see people behave in a way that would be justifiable if the election actually was stolen, and not have responsibility for that.

Politics can't operate purely in a space of irony or the raised eyebrow. I say this election was stolen - but you know that I don't really mean it and I know you know that I don't really mean it. Motivation doesn't change what you say or do, and it is reasonable for people to respond to what you say or do rather than your motivation.

[alfred russel]

Somewhere I recall BB posted something like, thank god there were people like Raffensperger (Georgia Secretary of State) who had some backbone to stand up to Trump. Apologies if I misremember you saying this, BB.

But I disagree guys like Raffensperger showed backbone. He was caught between Trump telling him to find 12k votes for him or disqualify 12k for Biden, and the entire universe of reality and possibility. The Secretary of State doesn't keep the ballot boxes in his office. He can't secretly add new votes or delete old ones. The ballot boxes are distributed throughout the state, tightly controlled, and with bipartisan oversight. Any attempt to add new votes or delete existing ones would be immediately exposed. The result wouldn't be Trump reelection: it would be Raffensperger going to jail for the world's dumbest election fraud.

Trump probably wants to stay in power by any means necessary. He either recognizes the military won't obey an order to seize control for him, or he doesn't want to face consequences. He found a trick to get Congress to reject the election, but only 6 senators would go along. For all the shit posted about American institutions failing--they seem to be working--though those 6 senators (and bunch of republican house members) don't auger well for the future.

[Grey Fox]

There's a 7 seditious Senator since Pennsylvania's vote went 92-7.