What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

What shred of merit do you find in it?

In that the identity politics based academic departments look more like centers for the indoctrination of received wisdom than the exploration of knowledge.

[Oexmelin]

What are identity politics based department?
What receive wisdom is being indoctrinated?

I am asking because that sounds a lot more like a conservative talking point than any thing I have experience with.

[Admiral Yi]

Women's studies, queer studies, black studies, etc.

That people in those groups are being treated unfairly in many different ways.

[grumbler]

What shred of merit do you find in it?

In that the identity politics based academic departments look more like centers for the indoctrination of received wisdom than the exploration of knowledge.

Not just identity-politics-based academic departments; there are whole universities, like Bob Jones University, that exist only to indoctrinate selected youths and give them the patina of an education.

However, those are not what Trump is talking about.

[The Brain]

There are certainly universities in Sweden that reject the scientific method because it doesn't produce the desired results. My guess is that a big country like the US will have at least some of those too.

[viper37]

What shred of merit do you find in it?

When you teach, do you teach strictly about historical facts, never deviating from what is written&proven without ever making a comparison to current events?

Do you ever discuss recent events in your classroom, even if not strictly related to your cursus?

If so, how do you avoid inputting your own vision of society into

If there were such a thing as a student strike, would you support the students on strike or the students trying to get to their classes?  Would you keep teaching to 4-5 students or completely stop working to join the students protesting, no matter the validity of their cause?  All the while keeping your paycheck, for the teaching part of your work.

Do you refrain from ever publicly commenting on current political events (let's assume that Facebook&other social medias are part of the private sphere in this case)?

When you answer a question with a mass of other questions, that does not successfully  disguise the fact that you are avoiding answering the initial question.  Do you have an actual answer for Oex, or just a mass of evasions?

In my experience, a lot of university teachers engage in political discussions in their classes, left&right, especially if it touches their field of study at the moment.

I have seen a lot of teachers in Quebec, from social science departments, during the last student strike publicly approving of the student's actions, excusing their violence, sometimes even protesting by their side - even committing act of vandalism or staying idly by watching them, all the while receiving a paycheck from their college/university.

If that isn't part of indoctrination, I do not know what it is.  They have a moral responsibility as teachers to not partake in such things and avoid using their biased views to convince their students.  If they taught critical thinking instead of their leftist sillyness, we would have much less problems than we have.

When academic personal themselves engage in cancel culture, it's hard to deny they have a strong influence on their students.

It is either a coincidence that radical leftists nearly always come from the social sciences study fields, or there is something going on in these faculties.

[viper37]

Some teachers having non-fascist opinions does not equal a communist indoctrination of the youth of America.

If by fascist you mean respecting freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of association, freedom of study, then I am 1000% fascist.

[Razgovory]

What shred of merit do you find in it?

When you teach, do you teach strictly about historical facts, never deviating from what is written&proven without ever making a comparison to current events?

Wherein Viper reveals he doesn't know what history is.  History isn't the recitation of a series of past events.  It is ordering and interpretation of past events.

[Razgovory]

In my experience, a lot of university teachers engage in political discussions in their classes, left&right, especially if it touches their field of study at the moment.

I have seen a lot of teachers in Quebec, from social science departments, during the last student strike publicly approving of the student's actions, excusing their violence, sometimes even protesting by their side - even committing act of vandalism or staying idly by watching them, all the while receiving a paycheck from their college/university.

If that isn't part of indoctrination, I do not know what it is.  They have a moral responsibility as teachers to not partake in such things and avoid using their biased views to convince their students.  If they taught critical thinking instead of their leftist sillyness, we would have much less problems than we have.

When academic personal themselves engage in cancel culture, it's hard to deny they have a strong influence on their students.

It is either a coincidence that radical leftists nearly always come from the social sciences study fields, or there is something going on in these faculties.

Wherein viper reveals he doesn't know what the word "Indoctrination" means either.

[Camerus]

It would be.... surprising if the statistically documented over representation of faculty on the left of the political spectrum vs conservatives encouraged ideologically neutral educational /research outcomes or was itself not a result of a particular ideological impulse within the academy / field of modern education.

[Oexmelin]

Women's studies, queer studies, black studies, etc.

That people in those groups are being treated unfairly in many different ways.

I am not sure where to start with this.

Do you think these groups have not been treated unfairly? Do you think the courses offered in these units are all concerned about showing unfair treatment? What do you think is being taught in courses offered in these department?

[grumbler]

In my experience, a lot of university teachers engage in political discussions in their classes, left&right, especially if it touches their field of study at the moment.

I have seen a lot of teachers in Quebec, from social science departments, during the last student strike publicly approving of the student's actions, excusing their violence, sometimes even protesting by their side - even committing act of vandalism or staying idly by watching them, all the while receiving a paycheck from their college/university.

If that isn't part of indoctrination, I do not know what it is.  They have a moral responsibility as teachers to not partake in such things and avoid using their biased views to convince their students.  If they taught critical thinking instead of their leftist sillyness, we would have much less problems than we have.

When academic personal themselves engage in cancel culture, it's hard to deny they have a strong influence on their students.

It is either a coincidence that radical leftists nearly always come from the social sciences study fields, or there is something going on in these faculties.

Sorry, but your 'experience" holds no weight with me.  My experience with you is that you interpret everything from the standpoint of the desired outcome, not from the standpoint of trying to decide what the outcome should be.

If there were teachers committing acts of vandalism (actual crimes, though, not the silly-ass shit that the Monos of the world insist are "vandalism" like spray-painting a sidewalk), then they were criminals and, of course, should be sanctioned.  But I am not going to believe that that was a serious problem on your say-so, because I think you'd say so whether it happened or not.

Are there professors who talk politics in class?  Sure.  They are not all from the left, though.  Right-wing and centrist professors do the same.  Leftist professors do it more often, simply because there are so many more leftist professors because the anti-intellectualism of the conservatives dissuades both bright conservatives in any generation from looking for careers as intellectuals (like college professors).

The whole "cancel culture" movement is dumb, because it is mindless and itself anti-intellectual.  But, unless it transgresses into personal attacks on individuals, I think it is probably worth something as a therapeutic measure.  Better to allow people to boycott Aunt Jemima Pancake Mix and get it out of their system than making people feel powerless unless they use violence.

[Admiral Yi]

I am not sure where to start with this.

Do you think these groups have not been treated unfairly? Do you think the courses offered in these units are all concerned about showing unfair treatment? What do you think is being taught in courses offered in these department?

No.

I don't know if all courses are the same in this way. 

I think they are being taught reasons to feel grievance, encouraged to discover more reasons to feel grievance, and encouraged to advocate for change.

[Oexmelin]

It would be.... surprising if the statistically documented over representation of faculty on the left of the political spectrum vs conservatives encouraged ideologically neutral educational /research outcomes

There are no ideologically neutral educational/research outcomes, if only because the very act of teaching is one which relies on a specific ethos, and very specific values, to say nothing of how research topics and research programs emerge - whether in the humanities, or the sciences. And yes, some fields of study have fundamental tenets that can't very well be ignored. If your only answer to causation in history is divine providence, then yes - you'll be unhappy in a secular college. And similarly if you hope your biology classes to dedicate equal time to intelligent design as they do to natural selection. If you think gender doesn't exist, don't pick a class in gender studies.

I teach students what I think is important for them to know, to understand the bits and pieces of history I teach.  The questions we consider are stuff like the nature of power, the role of individual or collective agency, the problem of interests. There is no streamlined, convenient "liberal" or "conservative" narrative on these things. But do I think it's a problem if everyone I talk about in my courses are rich white men? Yes, I think it is. Of course, it's a political point. It was one when Marxist insisted we should talk about peasants or the working class; it was one when feminists insisted we should talk about women; it was one when postcolonial scholars insisted we should talk about people of color. Do I agree with these points? Yes. I think a history class should cover a diversity of perspective on the human condition. Otherwise, it's back to being an elite hobby, a repository of morality tales. Is this what conservatives want? Or is it because they think working class people, women, people of color, aren't actual agents of history?

I have yet to figure out what it is that conservatives want my history classes to say: most of the time, I get the feeling that anything less as an outcome than "the US is the greatest country on earth" is somehow liberal indoctrination. But that's just such a misguided view of what a college course is supposed to be. I am not teaching a monotone litany of facts, nor am I aiming for some feel-good, moral story.

[Oexmelin]

I think they are being taught reasons to feel grievance, encouraged to discover more reasons to feel grievance, and encouraged to advocate for change.

Then, you should feel relieved. They are not.