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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Oexmelin on July 12, 2020, 08:17:12 PM
Then, you should feel relieved. They are not.

Great.  What are they being taught?

viper37

#26776
Quote from: grumbler on July 12, 2020, 07:50:39 PM
The whole "cancel culture" movement is dumb, because it is mindless and itself anti-intellectual.  But, unless it transgresses into personal attacks on individuals, I think it is probably worth something as a therapeutic measure.  Better to allow people to boycott Aunt Jemima Pancake Mix and get it out of their system than making people feel powerless unless they use violence.
Keep electing guys like Trump then.  The next one won't be as stupid though, but he'll get there, as a reaction to your blindness.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

viper37

Trump wanted to sell Puerto Rico:
Link

QuotePresident Trump mulled selling Puerto Rico as the territory struggled in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria in 2017, former acting Secretary of Homeland Security Elaine Duke told The New York Times.

Duke, who served in the role for four months, told the Times on Friday that she was shocked when the president raised the suggestion of "divesting" or "selling" Puerto Rico.

"The president's initial ideas were more of as a businessman, you know," she said. "Can we outsource the electricity? Can we ... sell the island? You know, or divest of that asset?"

The newspaper noted that Duke said the idea of selling of Puerto Rico was "never seriously considered or discussed" after Trump proposed it.


Hurricane Maria devastated Puerto Rico in September 2017, leading to almost 3,000 deaths related to the storm or its aftereffects, including monthslong power outages.

Trump and Puerto Rican officials blamed each other amid the island's recovery, with the president faulting local officials for their management of relief funds. San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz criticized the administration for the delay in federal response to hurricane recovery, prompting the president to target Cruz in several tweets, and call her "incompetent."

White House officials told congressional leaders and appropriators not to give any more money to Puerto Rico in November 2018, CNN noted.

The Washington Post reported a relief fund of $17 billion was released in January with tough restrictions. Administration officials attributed the delay to corruption concerns, but critics said the postponement was political.

Duke, who replaced John Kelly when he was appointed as White House chief of staff, is one of several former administration officials who have spoken out in recent months.

In her Times interview, she also accused Trump of being paranoid of "deep state" plots and using "hate-filled, angry and divisive" language.

Duke said she is not ready to commit to voting for Trump, telling the newspaper: "That's a really hard question. But given the choices, I don't know yet."

White House spokesman Judd Deere responded to Duke's interview by saying the president "has never wavered in his highest obligation to the American people: their safety and security."

"Not a single person can dispute that President Trump has kept his promise to the American people to reduce illegal immigration, secure the border, lower the crime rate, and maintain law and order," he said.

I wonder if it would have been an interesting asset for Quebec, sending our tourists there instead of Cuba and the Dominican Republic :P

(yes, I know, something like that has been thought of before, about Turk&Caicos, and I'm just joking here)
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Oexmelin

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 12, 2020, 08:25:32 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on July 12, 2020, 08:17:12 PM
Then, you should feel relieved. They are not.

Great.  What are they being taught?

A great many things. My colleagues, for instance, are teaching courses on the representation and role of women in Latin American history, or on black masculinity and crime in 19th century, or on queer presence in the midwestern city... I mean, you can look up courses online: there are many syllabi available, and you can see whether or not they offend your sensibility. 

It is entirely possible that you read such topics as encouragement for nurturing grievances. And yes, many of them are concerned about groups who have, historically, been heavily discriminated against. Are these courses dedicated to a certain notion of equality that seeks to treat these individuals and groups, past and present, as worthy of intellectual attention and understanding? Yes. Are these courses dedicated to creating activists? No.

Let's reverse the notion. Are business or finance courses dedicated to validating a certain understanding of capitalism? Of course. Are these courses dedicated to creating activists? No.
Que le grand cric me croque !

PDH

Quote from: Oexmelin on July 12, 2020, 09:35:34 PM
Let's reverse the notion. Are business or finance courses dedicated to validating a certain understanding of capitalism? Of course. Are these courses dedicated to creating activists? No.

Sorry, the reversal doesn't work because Capitalism is good and Feminism is bad.
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
-Umberto Eco

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Oexmelin on July 12, 2020, 09:35:34 PM
Let's reverse the notion. Are business or finance courses dedicated to validating a certain understanding of capitalism? Of course. Are these courses dedicated to creating activists? No.

No, I don't think those courses provide any validation of a certain understanding of capitalism.

Oexmelin

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 12, 2020, 11:24:42 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on July 12, 2020, 09:35:34 PM
Let's reverse the notion. Are business or finance courses dedicated to validating a certain understanding of capitalism? Of course. Are these courses dedicated to creating activists? No.

No, I don't think those courses provide any validation of a certain understanding of capitalism.

How much heterodox economists did you get at Georgetown?
Que le grand cric me croque !

The Minsky Moment

It's safe to say that most finance or business courses at least implicitly validate capitalism although I suppose it would be possible to design such a course from a purely critical perspective.  Same is mostly true for economics - which I would consider to be a different area of study.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

grumbler

Quote from: viper37 on July 12, 2020, 08:55:21 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 12, 2020, 07:50:39 PM
The whole "cancel culture" movement is dumb, because it is mindless and itself anti-intellectual.  But, unless it transgresses into personal attacks on individuals, I think it is probably worth something as a therapeutic measure.  Better to allow people to boycott Aunt Jemima Pancake Mix and get it out of their system than making people feel powerless unless they use violence.
Keep electing guys like Trump then.  The next one won't be as stupid though, but he'll get there, as a reaction to your blindness.

I don't think that electing "guys like Trump" solves as many problems as you seem to believe.  What you see as the solution is what I see as the problem.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Oexmelin on July 13, 2020, 02:05:52 AM
How much heterodox economists did you get at Georgetown?

My development professor was a little out there.  He said Stalin's appropriation from the kulaks was a reasonable response to the Soviet Union's lack of capital.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 13, 2020, 07:41:15 AM
It's safe to say that most finance or business courses at least implicitly validate capitalism although I suppose it would be possible to design such a course from a purely critical perspective.  Same is mostly true for economics - which I would consider to be a different area of study.

Maybe I have a different understanding of validate than you guys. if I learn, for example, Black-Scholes or NPV, how does that validate capitalism?

The Minsky Moment

Black-Scholes presumes the existence of financial markets in a particular configuration.

NPV has broader application but it presumes an ability to measure investment costs in monetary terms, that investments generate a cash flow, and the existence of a discount mechanism.  It is possible to apply such a framework within a central planning economy, but it would look different from the way it is universally taught in any Western academic setting I can think of.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 13, 2020, 01:33:24 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on July 13, 2020, 02:05:52 AM
How much heterodox economists did you get at Georgetown?

My development professor was a little out there.  He said Stalin's appropriation from the kulaks was a reasonable response to the Soviet Union's lack of capital.

Putting the value judgment aside  that is within the mainstream of growth and development economics.  It's part of the thesis in Robert Allen's book on the Soviet economy of the period.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

viper37

Quote from: Oexmelin on July 12, 2020, 09:35:34 PM
Are these courses dedicated to creating activists? No.
Then it is just pure coincidence that the near totality of activists are coming from these fields of study.

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Let's reverse the notion. Are business or finance courses dedicated to validating a certain understanding of capitalism? Of course. Are these courses dedicated to creating activists? No.
Validating, no.  We are tought to question everything, but also thought to understand how market forces are working so we can beat them.

Our classes are not exempt from the latest fad in management though, through case studies.

But you rarely see people coming out of this convinced only their vision of the world is right against an unfair system that only seek to crush them and as such, violence is a legitimate way of defending oneself.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

viper37

Quote from: PDH on July 12, 2020, 10:46:05 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on July 12, 2020, 09:35:34 PM
Let's reverse the notion. Are business or finance courses dedicated to validating a certain understanding of capitalism? Of course. Are these courses dedicated to creating activists? No.

Sorry, the reversal doesn't work because Capitalism is good and Feminism is bad.
what if both were neutral? :)
capitalism is a simple system composed of individuals.  Good and bad guys.  And gals.Feminism is great, I love women equality and would never want to go back to how things were "great" in the 50s.
However, is it legitimate to propose that all men should be chemically castrated because they will otherwise always oppress women?
These are the kind of thoughts coming out of the social studies.  Just as there are currents coming out of libertarians that defend slavery and indentured servitude.
However, in one case, you will find a lot of cheerleaders or simply people excusing the behaviour while in the other they will be smacked down.  Guess which is which? :)
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.