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[The Minsky Moment]

If you indeed end up arming your teachers, you will admit you have a failed society.

Here's what the NRA has to say about gun safety:
"Whether you are at the range, in the woods, in a self-defense situation, if you're going to shoot you must know what lies beyond your target. I almost all cases, you must be sure that there is something that will serve as a backstop to capture bullets that miss or go through the target."

What physical feature or features in a typical public school are going to act as a backstop if a bunch of teachers decide they need to deploy handguns?

In the Florida shooting, bullets went through windows and walls. 

There's a lot to say about the NRA but one thing that really strikes me is the fundamental tension between their supposed mission to promote gun education and safety and their radical lobbying agenda.  They are cross-purposes.  You cant lecture aboutgun safety and responsible ownership and then argue that the solution to school shooting incidents is to encourage shootouts in the school with armed teachers.

[Barrister]

I am not taking any chances, in either language.

(I work for an American company & everything I work with is in english.)

I thought that was against the law in Quebec.

[Oexmelin]

I don't think the NRA really cared about gun safety since the sociopaths took control in the late 70s.

[Grey Fox]

I am not taking any chances, in either language.

(I work for an American company & everything I work with is in english.)

So, no Googling at your company?  Any Google search is taking a chance.

Yes, that's the best course of action.

[Grey Fox]

I am not taking any chances, in either language.

(I work for an American company & everything I work with is in english.)

I thought that was against the law in Quebec.

Grumbler will give me shit, again, for using "everything" when I don't actually mean "everything".

The required stuff by law is provided in French & no one is crying when my francophones co-workers & I talk in French. But the products we make are all English only.

[grumbler]

Grumbler will give me shit, again, for using "everything" when I don't actually mean "everything". 

Nice straw man argument!   

I guess your employer won't fire you for using those? 

[Valmy]

What the hell is going on in this thread 

[garbon]

What the hell is going on in this thread 

[Grey Fox]

What the hell is going on in this thread 

Grumbler and I are having beers.

[mongers]

If you indeed end up arming your teachers, you will admit you have a failed society.

Here's what the NRA has to say about gun safety:
"Whether you are at the range, in the woods, in a self-defense situation, if you're going to shoot you must know what lies beyond your target. I almost all cases, you must be sure that there is something that will serve as a backstop to capture bullets that miss or go through the target."

What physical feature or features in a typical public school are going to act as a backstop if a bunch of teachers decide they need to deploy handguns?

In the Florida shooting, bullets went through windows and walls. 

There's a lot to say about the NRA but one thing that really strikes me is the fundamental tension between their supposed mission to promote gun education and safety and their radical lobbying agenda.  They are cross-purposes.  You cant lecture aboutgun safety and responsible ownership and then argue that the solution to school shooting incidents is to encourage shootouts in the school with armed teachers.

Which is where my machine-gun bunkers in every classroom come in useful again, for stopping some of the errant rounds.

And I might add to serve as student shelters for when the principle calls in the loitering F-15E do deliver the JADMs. 

[alfred russel]

If you indeed end up arming your teachers, you will admit you have a failed society.

Here's what the NRA has to say about gun safety:
"Whether you are at the range, in the woods, in a self-defense situation, if you're going to shoot you must know what lies beyond your target. I almost all cases, you must be sure that there is something that will serve as a backstop to capture bullets that miss or go through the target."

What physical feature or features in a typical public school are going to act as a backstop if a bunch of teachers decide they need to deploy handguns?

In the Florida shooting, bullets went through windows and walls. 

There's a lot to say about the NRA but one thing that really strikes me is the fundamental tension between their supposed mission to promote gun education and safety and their radical lobbying agenda.  They are cross-purposes.  You cant lecture aboutgun safety and responsible ownership and then argue that the solution to school shooting incidents is to encourage shootouts in the school with armed teachers.

I think the rules of gun safety get warped when you are in a mass shooter situation. It does have an "in almost all cases" caveat.

[Monoriu]

If I am tasked to implement the idea of arming the teachers, the first question I'll ask is how much is that going to cost, and then where will the money come from.  That's probably going to be quite expensive, considering the vast numbers of teachers and schools in the US, the cost of the guns themselves, the training for the teachers, the ammunition, maintenance, replacements, weapons updates, and all the administrative overhead associated with running this etc.  Then there is the issue of legal liability.  Accidents are bound to happen.  Innocent students will be shot, one way or another, sooner or later.  Who is going to pay for those legal costs?  Someone will ask the question, who is going to buy the insurance for these kinds of things.  Then you have to deal with the staff.  Because they are basically asking teachers to do stuff that is outside the job descriptions that they were hired for.  Someone is bound to ask for a raise.  Someone is bound to refuse to cooperate.  So what do you do?  If you agree to give them a raise, again you have to find the money.  If they refuse to cooperate, do you let them or fire them or what?  Someone needs to make a tough decision there.  And what if it isn't just one or two teachers that refuse to play ball, but a majority of them?  Or at least a very significant minority?  Then you gotta deal with questions like one gun per classroom?  One gun per school?  Up to the schools to decide?  Or whatever?  It is hard to get them to buy computers.  Buying guns is going to be many, many times more complicated. 

And of course, I don't believe for a second that this will work.  Not to mention there are way better alternatives out there.  Like banning assault rifles or guns. 

[dps]

If I am tasked to implement the idea of arming the teachers, the first question I'll ask is how much is that going to cost, and then where will the money come from.  That's probably going to be quite expensive, considering the vast numbers of teachers and schools in the US, the cost of the guns themselves, the training for the teachers, the ammunition, maintenance, replacements, weapons updates

Just let the teachers bring their own firearms to work with 'em.

[Monoriu]

If I am tasked to implement the idea of arming the teachers, the first question I'll ask is how much is that going to cost, and then where will the money come from.  That's probably going to be quite expensive, considering the vast numbers of teachers and schools in the US, the cost of the guns themselves, the training for the teachers, the ammunition, maintenance, replacements, weapons updates

Just let the teachers bring their own firearms to work with 'em.

What about in areas where teachers generally don't own firearms?  Also, just because they own firearms doesn't mean they know how to use them properly, especially in situations where they have to confront mass murderers.  There must be procedures in place to ensure they are up to standards.  I don't see how some form of training can be avoided, especially if legal claims are expected and unavoidable.  There are also issues involving fairness (only those teachers who already own firearms have to bear this additional responsibility), and adequate compensation for staff (I have to use xx bullets per month to practise for this, so I demand the government pay me back for the training expenses).

[dps]

If I am tasked to implement the idea of arming the teachers, the first question I'll ask is how much is that going to cost, and then where will the money come from.  That's probably going to be quite expensive, considering the vast numbers of teachers and schools in the US, the cost of the guns themselves, the training for the teachers, the ammunition, maintenance, replacements, weapons updates

Just let the teachers bring their own firearms to work with 'em.

What about in areas where teachers generally don't own firearms?  Also, just because they own firearms doesn't mean they know how to use them properly, especially in situations where they have to confront mass murderers.  There must be procedures in place to ensure they are up to standards.  I don't see how some form of training can be avoided, especially if legal claims are expected and unavoidable.  There are also issues involving fairness (only those teachers who already own firearms have to bear this additional responsibility), and adequate compensation for staff (I have to use xx bullets per month to practise for this, so I demand the government pay me back for the training expenses).

We don't even have procedures in place to ensure they're up to standard in their ability to teach.  How or why would we expect them to be up to standards in anything else?