What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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11B4V

Well, state tv is in full propaganda mode.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Valmy

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

11B4V

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

11B4V

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Valmy

Ah. Yes I should have been able to guess :blush:
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Eddie Teach

To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

CountDeMoney

Quote from: 11B4V on December 08, 2017, 12:24:07 AM
Well, state tv is in full propaganda mode.

Don't worry, it's almost over.


QuoteOpinion | Contributing Op-Ed Writer
Trumpocalypse: The End Game
Timothy Egan DEC. 8, 2017
The Failing New York Times

You can see where this is headed, the once bright and shiny democracy going down the drain before the holidays are out. The Russians, the special counsel Robert S. Mueller III and his agents, desperate men flipped and singing to save their souls — all may soon be gone, by President Trump's design.

If there's any outrage left in the tank, use it now, because Trump has signaled exactly what he's going to do. First, he had to set some brush fires, impugning the legitimacy of the rule of law — an old dictator's trick. Trump is no Hitler, but when the German Reichstag burned in 1933, it was all the Nazis needed to gut civil liberties.

So, before Trump can fire the prosecutor who is hot on the corruption trail of those in the president's inner circle, he needs a pretext. He could just work his way down the line at the Justice Department, until he found a quisling willing to remove the special counsel. But before he gets to that, he has to delegitimize the whole investigation.

Thus, he's now attacking the F.B.I., saying the agency is in "Tatters" and its standing "the worst in History." Bashing cops — wasn't that what those Black Lives Matter people did to disrespect Blue Lives?

Thank God we have Sarah Huckabee Sanders as a moral clarion in a crisis. "When you're attacking F.B.I. agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're losing," she tweeted. Sorry — that was Sarah Huckabee Sanders of a year ago, before she was paid to defend the liar in chief.

Trump's lawyer, John Dowd, has been busy clearing out more brush, making the preposterous claim that the president cannot obstruct justice because he's the nation's chief law enforcement officer. If Trump shot somebody on Fifth Avenue — his own suggested redline — he could, as the nation's chief law enforcement officer, tell the cops to quash the investigation.

See, when the president does it, it's not a crime. This defense was floated during the two impeachment episodes of the 20th century. The third time will not be a charm. But Trump's team already has gone from there is no collusion or obstruction to, so what? If it happened, it's no biggie.

They don't appear to be the least bit troubled by a stunning report from a whistle-blower. As Trump was pledging to put America first during his Inaugural Address, his national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was texting a former business associate serving foreign clients. With Trump in, the sanctions against Russia would be "ripped up," clearing the way for big money to be made on the inside, according to the report made public Wednesday.

Ignoring that story, Trump's media wing is doing its job. Sean Hannity, at state-run television, went on a vein-popping rant Tuesday against law enforcement, complete with conspiracy charts. He called the federal authorities "a team of so-called investigators." As for their boss, he said that "Mueller is frankly a disgrace to the American justice system and has put the country on the brink of becoming a banana republic." He's certainly learned the art of projection from his master.

The Wall Street Journal, channeling its owner and Trump whisperer Rupert Murdoch, has been making much of the same case, albeit without the spittle.

Don't forget, this is the same Robert Mueller who won wide bipartisan praise when he was appointed special counsel: a career prosecutor, the longest-serving director of the F.B.I. since J. Edgar Hoover, awarded the Bronze Star for his service as a Marine in Vietnam. Republicans love him. Or they did until he started closing in on Trump's closest associates.

Mueller should be fired, the Russian enablers now claim, because one of his agents said some bad things about Trump. This agent, Peter Strzok, was reassigned over the summer, as soon as his comments came to light. Wow, a G-man has opinions. The cops I know, a couple of longstanding friends, have more opinions than I.  :lol:

The facts are what matters. And the facts are pointing in a very bad direction for the gang that can't collude straight. Trump has got to be sweating it; he was said to be "seething" when two of his campaign aides were indicted and third pleaded guilty in October. He looked punch-drunk at recent public events.

Now that he's a felon from a guilty plea last week, Flynn is cooperating with Mueller. He knows plenty. Trump could pardon him and try to bring him back into the fold. The outrage would be minimal among the Banana Republicans. Sure, they got their tax-relief-for-the-rich bill passed, so they may no longer need Trump after he signs it. But now they're dreaming of more — cutting Medicare and health care for children, so they have a reason to keep him around.

If Trump fires Mueller, he can start the new year clean. His base will stick with him. Though voters believe, by a nearly 2-1 margin, that Russians interfered with the United States election, Republicans do not. Party before country — in the face of a dangerous turn toward authoritarianism, that's all that matters.

derspiess

US getting closer to full employment: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/08/november-nonfarm-payrolls.html

Was it Seedy that said a few years back that we'll never ever get below something like 8% unemployment?
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garbon

QuoteThe U.S. economy created 228,000 jobs in November while the unemployment rate held steady at 4.1 percent, the Labor Department reported Friday.

Economists surveyed by Reuters had expected nonfarm payrolls to grow by 200,000.

A more encompassing measure of joblessness that includes discouraged workers and those holding part-time positions for economic reasons moved up one-tenth of a point to 8 percent. The ranks of those not in the labor force edged higher by 35,000 to 95.4 million.
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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

The Minsky Moment

The employment rate has been increasing steadily on a nearly straight line from January 2014 to the present.  Per garbon above it actually dipped a little recently although that just might be a temporary blip.

If anyone deserves credit for the employment performance of the US economy in the "long recovery" post-crisis, it's Bernanke and Yellen. 

Trump apparently thinks so, he (rightly) praised Yellen as "spectacular" and "wonderful".  Then he promptly fired her and replaced her with a lawyer as Fed Chair.  Because she had Obamacooties.
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--Joan Robinson

crazy canuck

Quote from: Valmy on December 08, 2017, 12:24:56 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 08, 2017, 12:24:07 AM
Well, state tv is in full propaganda mode.

What is considered 'state tv'? :unsure:

I assume the station that is saying Mueller is corrupt and ought to be fired immediately.

derspiess

Maybe not that extreme, but they're saying he's in the bag for Hillary and the Dems and is out to get Trump.  This was red meat for them: http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/02/politics/fbi-agent-removed-trump-investigation/index.html
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

garbon

Quote from: derspiess on December 08, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
Maybe not that extreme, but they're saying he's in the bag for Hillary and the Dems and is out to get Trump.  This was red meat for them: http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/02/politics/fbi-agent-removed-trump-investigation/index.html

Welcome to the start of the week?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

HVC

Quote from: derspiess on December 08, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
Maybe not that extreme, but they're saying he's in the bag for Hillary and the Dems and is out to get Trump.  This was red meat for them: http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/02/politics/fbi-agent-removed-trump-investigation/index.html

So removing someone with a conflict of interest proves they have a conflict of interest?
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