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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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grumbler

Quote from: Tamas on November 13, 2017, 11:57:03 AM
lol no the factory workers in Germany are not upper middle class.

lol argument by assertion.  How much do you think the average German industrial worker makes per year?  Don't cheat and look it up, just provide your "not upper-middle-class" guess.

QuoteAnd executive salaries are not cause to any failures of the system. They might be symptoms, but not a single worker's situation will get better just because their boss starts earning less.

Not sure if you intended this to be babble, or this was just accidental babble and you thought you were being profound, but, in any case, this is a total strawman argument.
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Bayraktar!

grumbler

Quote from: Jacob on November 13, 2017, 12:13:25 PM
How about paying the workers more, then? That might make them better off.

Indeed.  Average German auto workers get the equivalent of US$67/hour, compared to the US $33/hr average, and yet Germany makes and sells twice as many cars as the US. https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2011/12/21/germany-builds-twice-as-many-cars-as-the-u-s-while-paying-its-auto-workers-twice-as-much/#28dbc1396b78
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Tamas on November 13, 2017, 07:51:30 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2017, 06:43:11 AM
QuoteThe Institute for Policy Studies said the growing gap between rich and poor had created a "moral crisis".

And the moral of the crisis is:  you don't want to be poor?  Make more money.

This is a nice smoke screen to dismiss all societal issues.

This is Trump's America now, sweetheart.  You don't like it, make more money.

Admiral Yi

McConnell says Moore should withdraw.  Roy fires back McConnell should resign because he doesn't represent conservative values.

grumbler

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2017, 02:31:40 PM
McConnell says Moore should withdraw.  Roy fires back McConnell should resign because he doesn't represent conservative values.

I vote for meteor strike.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Oexmelin

Que le grand cric me croque !

Valmy

Quote from: Oexmelin on November 13, 2017, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2017, 01:39:40 PM
This is Trump's America now, sweetheart.  You don't like it, make more money.

Remarkably similar... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Guizot

Well now that is just unfair. Guys like Blanc and Guizot get a pass for being wrong (for opposite reasons) since there was only a limited amount of evidence available at the time. Though I guess being compared to a guy whose ideas failed over 160 years ago is probably not a great thing :P
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Oexmelin on November 13, 2017, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2017, 01:39:40 PM
This is Trump's America now, sweetheart.  You don't like it, make more money.

Remarkably similar... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Guizot

Guizot was an intelligent man and a scholar, he is miles above an ass like Trump.
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--Joan Robinson

frunk


Razgovory

Remember, it's always the government's fault.  If the boss is extremely rich and the workers are poor it's because the boss bribed the government.
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Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Jacob

So apparently the whole "14 year olds and 30 year old men" is not too uncommon with the hard evangelical set: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brightbill-roy-moore-evangelical-culture-20171110-story.html

11B4V

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2017, 02:31:40 PM
McConnell says Moore should withdraw.  Roy fires back McConnell should resign because he doesn't represent conservative values.

Wasn't Moore pushed by Bannon?
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The Larch

Quote from: Jacob on November 13, 2017, 04:32:00 PM
So apparently the whole "14 year olds and 30 year old men" is not too uncommon with the hard evangelical set: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brightbill-roy-moore-evangelical-culture-20171110-story.html

For some reason I started getting lately in my Youtube feed recommendations on news pieces covering the rather significant amount of underage marriages in the US, almost always in very conservative backgrounds. Let's see if I can find any of them...

Admiral Yi

I had figured it was mostly a Real(tm) Mormon thing.