What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Oexmelin]

And now this:

"US votes against UN resolution condemning gay sex death penalty, joining Iraq and Saudi Arabia"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-gay-sex-death-penalty-un-same-sex-relations-human-rights-council-saudi-arabia-iraq-nikki-haley-a7980981.html

[DGuller]

If gays don't want to be executed, they can always move to another country.

[CountDeMoney]

And now this:

"US votes against UN resolution condemning gay sex death penalty, joining Iraq and Saudi Arabia"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-gay-sex-death-penalty-un-same-sex-relations-human-rights-council-saudi-arabia-iraq-nikki-haley-a7980981.html

We're going to be with the Bad Guys on everything now. It's gonna be AWESUM

[Valmy]

And now this:

"US votes against UN resolution condemning gay sex death penalty, joining Iraq and Saudi Arabia"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-gay-sex-death-penalty-un-same-sex-relations-human-rights-council-saudi-arabia-iraq-nikki-haley-a7980981.html

And people say we always vote with Israel and never vote the Arabs' way. Well we showed them.

[Ed Anger]

And now this:

"US votes against UN resolution condemning gay sex death penalty, joining Iraq and Saudi Arabia"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-gay-sex-death-penalty-un-same-sex-relations-human-rights-council-saudi-arabia-iraq-nikki-haley-a7980981.html

And people say we always vote with Israel and never vote the Arabs' way. Well we showed them.

When Trump touched the orb, the Islamic Devils infected him.

[Valmy]

Botswana, Burundi, Egypt, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, China, India, Iraq, Japan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the US and the United Arab Emirates

Well I have to say I am surprised to see Japan there.

[CountDeMoney]

Botswana, Burundi, Egypt, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, China, India, Iraq, Japan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the US and the United Arab Emirates

Well I have to say I am surprised to see Japan there.

Shame-based culture.  It's all about saving facials.

[Habbaku]

The Independent is playing around with the legal language of the resolution. The language of the resolution didn't only call for the end of the death penalty in the situations that The Independent notes, but called for an end to the death penalty in all cases. Considering that the death penalty is apparently quite popular in Japan and is somewhat popular in the USA, it's not too surprising that the Japanese would vote against the resolution.

Text of resolution here: http://undocs.org/A/HRC/36/L.6

In other words, though any right-thinking person is surely against the death penalty in the above situations (and I'm against the death penalty, period), it's not nearly as clear-cut as the headlines would have you think.

[Valmy]

Really? Oh FFS.

[The Minsky Moment]

Habs is right about the Independent story but not about the Resolution. It doesn't call for abolition in all cases.  It actually appears to track almost exactly the current state of US law on the death penalty (eg prohibited for under 18 or in case of mental disability).  Ie it looks like this was specifically designed to address US concerns so that the US could sign

Which legitimately raises the question why the US didn't

[Eddie Teach]

Do condemned Japanese get the option of seppuku?

[Habbaku]

Habs is right about the Independent story but not about the Resolution. It doesn't call for abolition in all cases.

From the resolution:

2. Calls upon States that have not yet acceded to or ratified the Second Optional
Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights aiming at the abolition
of the death penalty to consider doing so

I don't speak fluent Lawyer, but what else am I to conclude except that they are calling for the abolition of the death penalty, especially as the "Second Optional Protocol..." is summarized earlier in the resolution as:

Recalling also the Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil
and Political Rights aiming at the abolition of the death penalty

[The Minsky Moment]

Consider doing so is a lot differing from doing so.  Otherwise the rest of it would be superfluous.

Should not be a problem for the US to agree to a protocol to consider aboilition given that many states have abolished it

[Barrister]

As a Crown Prosecutor, I have many times said I will consider just about any fact or evidence that defence will bring to me.  I suspect that refusing to even look at or consider a factor is probably contrary to my ethical obligations.

Whether I will change my position on an issue, however, is an entirely different matter.  "Look, I of course will consider your argument about why I should withdraw the murder charges against your client.  The odds of me doing so... are not good".

[Admiral Yi]

Strongly deploring
the fact that the use of the death penalty leads to violations of the
human rights of the persons facing the death penalty and of other affected persons

This one is kind of ridiculous for any state that has the death penalty to agree with.