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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Valmy

Quote from: Jacob on July 26, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 26, 2017, 02:52:01 PM
If you believe White people are naturally superior to other people.

Ah I see... I think another popular definition is "if you think society should be structured to primarily benefit white people".

I don't think any white supremacists would think of it that way. Probably not an accurate definition.
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Quote from: Jacob on July 26, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 26, 2017, 02:52:01 PM
If you believe White people are naturally superior to other people.

Ah I see... I think another popular definition is "if you think society should be structured to primarily benefit white people".

Wouldn't a White Supremacist have to, by definition, believe that White people are better than non-White people, and therefore ought to dominate over them?

The definition you have provided, seems to  me, goes for any ethnic or tribal chauvinist, even if they believed people in their particular ethnicity or tribe weren't "superior" to others.     
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Barrister

Quote from: Jacob on July 26, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 26, 2017, 02:52:01 PM
If you believe White people are naturally superior to other people.

Ah I see... I think another popular definition is "if you think society should be structured to primarily benefit white people".

I don't think much of that definition.

If that's your definition, and you believe that society is already structured to primarily benefit white people, then viola!  Anyone who believes in the status quo can be dismissed as a white supremacist.
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garbon

Quote from: Barrister on July 26, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 26, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 26, 2017, 02:52:01 PM
If you believe White people are naturally superior to other people.

Ah I see... I think another popular definition is "if you think society should be structured to primarily benefit white people".

I don't think much of that definition.

If that's your definition, and you believe that society is already structured to primarily benefit white people, then viola!  Anyone who believes in the status quo can be dismissed as a white supremacist.

Well if you believe that the racist status quo should be kept than yeah that's kinda racist.
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Barrister

Quote from: garbon on July 26, 2017, 03:59:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 26, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 26, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 26, 2017, 02:52:01 PM
If you believe White people are naturally superior to other people.

Ah I see... I think another popular definition is "if you think society should be structured to primarily benefit white people".

I don't think much of that definition.

If that's your definition, and you believe that society is already structured to primarily benefit white people, then viola!  Anyone who believes in the status quo can be dismissed as a white supremacist.

Well if you believe that the racist status quo should be kept than yeah that's kinda racist.

But I don't think the status quo is generally racist.
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grumbler

Quote from: garbon on July 26, 2017, 03:59:40 PM
Well if you believe that the racist status quo should be kept than yeah that's kinda racist.

Who believes that the racist elements of the status quo should be retained?  "Status quo" is far more complex than a simplistic "racist/non-racist" divide can express.
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garbon

Quote from: grumbler on July 26, 2017, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 26, 2017, 03:59:40 PM
Well if you believe that the racist status quo should be kept than yeah that's kinda racist.

Who believes that the racist elements of the status quo should be retained?  "Status quo" is far more complex than a simplistic "racist/non-racist" divide can express.

Not sure why you are replying to me with that.
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garbon

Quote from: Barrister on July 26, 2017, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 26, 2017, 03:59:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 26, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 26, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 26, 2017, 02:52:01 PM
If you believe White people are naturally superior to other people.

Ah I see... I think another popular definition is "if you think society should be structured to primarily benefit white people".

I don't think much of that definition.

If that's your definition, and you believe that society is already structured to primarily benefit white people, then viola!  Anyone who believes in the status quo can be dismissed as a white supremacist.

Well if you believe that the racist status quo should be kept than yeah that's kinda racist.

But I don't think the status quo is generally racist.

Well that's a post that says basically nothing.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

grumbler

Quote from: garbon on July 26, 2017, 04:53:46 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 26, 2017, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 26, 2017, 03:59:40 PM
Well if you believe that the racist status quo should be kept than yeah that's kinda racist.

Who believes that the racist elements of the status quo should be retained?  "Status quo" is far more complex than a simplistic "racist/non-racist" divide can express.

Not sure why you are replying to me with that.

I'm okay with that.
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Savonarola

Quote from: Syt on July 26, 2017, 04:15:26 PM
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Oexmelin

Quote from: Barrister on July 26, 2017, 04:47:41 PM

But I don't think the status quo is generally racist.

What would it take to convince you otherwise?
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Barrister

Quote from: Oexmelin on July 26, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 26, 2017, 04:47:41 PM

But I don't think the status quo is generally racist.

What would it take to convince you otherwise?

Whadda ya got?
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Oexmelin

Everything, really. I genuinely want to know what your criteria are, because it would be a waste to just hurl data that are not liable to convince you.
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The Minsky Moment

It's pretty incontestable that the status quo is one where their is material and significant diversion in outcomes based on race: income, wealth, positions of power and authority, and so on. 
So the challenge of the no racism hypothesis is to explain how one reaches such outcomes in the absence of racism.
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