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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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jimmy olsen

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To no one's surprise...

Also, why is this thread stickied. It's better to see it move up and down so people can notice news more easily.

http://www.businessinsider.com/rinat-akhmetshin-trump-jr-meeting-russia-documents-2017-7

QuoteA man who says he is a previously unreported attendee of the controversial meeting in June 2016 between top Trump campaign advisers and a Russian lawyer said the attorney presented the men with documents.

Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian-American lobbyist who served in the Soviet military, told The Associated Press on Friday that the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, presented documents that she believed detailed the flow of illicit funds to the Democratic National Committee.

In Akhmetshin's recounting, Veselnitskaya suggested to those in the meeting — including Donald Trump Jr.; President Donald Trump's campaign chairman at the time, Paul Manafort; and Jared Kushner, who's now a White House senior adviser — that they make the contents of the documents public. She said that doing so could help Trump's campaign, Akhmetshin said.

"This could be a good issue to expose how the DNC is accepting bad money," he recalled her saying.

Akhmetshin said Trump Jr. then asked whether she had evidence to back up the assertion, to which Veselnitskaya said the campaign would have to do more research on the subject. That's when Trump Jr. lost interest, Akhmetshin said.

"They couldn't wait for the meeting to end," he said, adding that he believes she left the documents with the Trump associates but that it was unclear whether she handed the documents to one of the three men or left them in the room.

Akhmetshin told the AP he did not know whether the documents were provided by the Russian government.

Manafort's spokesman declined to comment to the AP on Akhmetshin's involvement in the meeting. Kushner's spokesman and Trump Jr.'s attorney, Alan Futerfas, did not respond to the AP's request for comment.

Akhmetshin told the AP he tagged along with Veselnitskaya for the meeting, where they were also joined by an interpreter. Rob Goldstone, the British music publicist who represents a Russian pop star with ties to Trump and helped arrange the meeting, previously told the AP he was in on the meeting. Goldstone checked into Trump Tower on Facebook on June 9, 2016, the day of the meeting, with the comment "preparing for meeting."

Trump Jr. did not disclose Akhmetshin's participation in the meeting, nor has he made mention of any documents presented or left behind.

When the story of the meeting broke on Saturday, Trump's eldest son initially said the discussion with Veselnitskaya focused on adoption policy, specifically the Magnitsky Act, a US law that blacklists Russians accused of human-rights abuses. The law so enraged Russian President Vladimir Putin that he retaliated by barring US citizens from adopting Russian children.

Trump Jr. amended his statement the next day in accordance with further reporting by The New York Times, saying the premise of the meeting was obtaining damaging information on Hillary Clinton. He said Veselnitskaya never supplied such information and that she instead pivoted to discuss the Magnitsky Act. He said the meeting lasted roughly 30 minutes.

"After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Mrs. Clinton," Trump Jr. said in that statement. "Her statements were vague, ambiguous, and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information."

But on Tuesday, after The Times alerted Trump Jr. that it was about to publish his email correspondence with Goldstone, Trump Jr. published what he said was the full email chain, which had the subject line "Russia — Clinton — private and confidential," and released another statement. In those emails, Goldstone identified Veselnitskaya as a "Russian government attorney" who wanted to share some information about Clinton as "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."

Goldstone said in his initial email to Trump Jr. that Veselnitskaya "offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father."

To that, Trump Jr. responded, "If it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer."

The ordeal has put a dent in the White House's narrative that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russia to meddle in the election — a focus of the FBI investigation being led by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Taking a meeting under the premise of obtaining damaging information on Clinton — regardless of whether any such information was provided — would in all likelihood be a violation of campaign law, experts said. Meanwhile, Democrats have taken aim at Kushner in recent days, calling for his security clearance to be revoked.
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jimmy olsen

Come on, just six more points and the rats will start fleeing the ship

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-finds-trump-standing-weakened-since-springtime/2017/07/15/2decf03a-68d2-11e7-9928-22d00a47778f_story.html?utm_term=.46d51c3c0903

QuotePresident Trump's standing with the American people has deteriorated since the spring, buffeted by perceptions of a decline in U.S. leadership abroad, a stalled presidential agenda at home and an unpopular Republican health-care bill, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Approaching six months in office, Trump's overall approval rating has dropped to 36 percent from 42 percent in April. His disapproval rating has risen five points to 58 percent. Overall, 48 percent say they "disapprove strongly" of Trump's performance in office, a level never reached by former presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama and reached only in the second term of George W. Bush in Post-ABC polling.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Savonarola

Pink Floyd's Roger Waters defends his anti-Trump tour

Sorry, Roger, but you have only yourself to blame for this.  Next time maybe you'll think twice before telling people that they don't need no education.
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Legbiter

Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 16, 2017, 08:40:59 AM
Come on, just six more points and the rats will start fleeing the ship

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-finds-trump-standing-weakened-since-springtime/2017/07/15/2decf03a-68d2-11e7-9928-22d00a47778f_story.html?utm_term=.46d51c3c0903

QuotePresident Trump's standing with the American people has deteriorated since the spring, buffeted by perceptions of a decline in U.S. leadership abroad, a stalled presidential agenda at home and an unpopular Republican health-care bill, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Approaching six months in office, Trump's overall approval rating has dropped to 36 percent from 42 percent in April. His disapproval rating has risen five points to 58 percent. Overall, 48 percent say they "disapprove strongly" of Trump's performance in office, a level never reached by former presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama and reached only in the second term of George W. Bush in Post-ABC polling.

There's something very wrong with political polling like this. Like in that Georgia special election between She-Jeb! and Pajama Boy the other day, the polls were Dems +7 a couple weeks before the election and she won by +4 in the end.

They must be oversampling Dems and/or undersampling Independents. It's too consistently wrong to be anything else.

Also, stop tainting.  ;)
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Legbiter on July 16, 2017, 11:35:07 AM
They must be oversampling Dems and/or undersampling Independents. It's too consistently wrong to be anything else.

Democrat-leaning voters aren't voting, and Republican-leaning voters are simply not telling pollsters the whole truth.  When the entire sample isn't cooperating, there's going to be failures.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Savonarola on July 16, 2017, 09:24:26 AM
Pink Floyd's Roger Waters defends his anti-Trump tour

Sorry, Roger, but you have only yourself to blame for this.  Next time maybe you'll think twice before telling people that they don't need no education.

:lol:
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CountDeMoney

Of course it does.  It's all big yuks.

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Ed Anger

That old fart Waters still pushing his anti Jew crap around? Fuck him.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Legbiter on July 16, 2017, 11:35:07 AM

There's something very wrong with political polling like this. Like in that Georgia special election between She-Jeb! and Pajama Boy the other day, the polls were Dems +7 a couple weeks before the election and she won by +4 in the end.

They must be oversampling Dems and/or undersampling Independents. It's too consistently wrong to be anything else.
The polls were neck and neck the day before the race. 4% win by either side was within the margin of error.

Average of all special congressional elections since the Presidential election show a 14% swing.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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jimmy olsen

Dumber than a sack of hammers.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/16/america-week-falls-trump-reporter-asks-ivanka-trump-clothing.html
QuoteMade In America Week Falls Apart For Trump After Reporter Asks About Ivanka Trump Clothing

By Jason Easley on Sun, Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:09 pm

A White House spokesperson was touting Trump's upcoming "Made In America" week, but when a reporter asked about Ivanka Trump's made overseas clothing line, the White House clammed up and said, "We'll get back to you on that."

The report from the White House Press Pool as provided to PoliticusUSA:

Spokeswoman Helen Aguirre Ferre was asked whether the president would use "Made in America" week to push Ivanka Trump's clothing line to produce products in America, rather than overseas. "We'll get back to you on that," she said.

It impossible for a president who makes his own products overseas, and whose family businesses also make their products overseas to be taken seriously as he is supposedly promoting made in America week, unless they mean made in America for everybody but the Trumps.

Trump is setting himself up for ridicule on a daily basis. This president lacks any sense of decency and self-awareness. Made In America week is already a total disaster because Donald Trump doesn't expect people to point out that he and his kids don't actually make their products in America.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
--------------------------------------------
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garbon

Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2017, 04:31:40 AM
Dumber than a sack of hammers.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/16/america-week-falls-trump-reporter-asks-ivanka-trump-clothing.html
QuoteMade In America Week Falls Apart For Trump After Reporter Asks About Ivanka Trump Clothing

By Jason Easley on Sun, Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:09 pm

A White House spokesperson was touting Trump's upcoming "Made In America" week, but when a reporter asked about Ivanka Trump's made overseas clothing line, the White House clammed up and said, "We'll get back to you on that."

The report from the White House Press Pool as provided to PoliticusUSA:

Spokeswoman Helen Aguirre Ferre was asked whether the president would use "Made in America" week to push Ivanka Trump's clothing line to produce products in America, rather than overseas. "We'll get back to you on that," she said.

It impossible for a president who makes his own products overseas, and whose family businesses also make their products overseas to be taken seriously as he is supposedly promoting made in America week, unless they mean made in America for everybody but the Trumps.

Trump is setting himself up for ridicule on a daily basis. This president lacks any sense of decency and self-awareness. Made In America week is already a total disaster because Donald Trump doesn't expect people to point out that he and his kids don't actually make their products in America.

Agreed. That blog post is pretty dumb.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2017, 04:55:10 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2017, 04:31:40 AM
Dumber than a sack of hammers.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/16/america-week-falls-trump-reporter-asks-ivanka-trump-clothing.html
QuoteMade In America Week Falls Apart For Trump After Reporter Asks About Ivanka Trump Clothing

By Jason Easley on Sun, Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:09 pm

A White House spokesperson was touting Trump's upcoming "Made In America" week, but when a reporter asked about Ivanka Trump's made overseas clothing line, the White House clammed up and said, "We'll get back to you on that."

The report from the White House Press Pool as provided to PoliticusUSA:

Spokeswoman Helen Aguirre Ferre was asked whether the president would use "Made in America" week to push Ivanka Trump's clothing line to produce products in America, rather than overseas. "We'll get back to you on that," she said.

It impossible for a president who makes his own products overseas, and whose family businesses also make their products overseas to be taken seriously as he is supposedly promoting made in America week, unless they mean made in America for everybody but the Trumps.

Trump is setting himself up for ridicule on a daily basis. This president lacks any sense of decency and self-awareness. Made In America week is already a total disaster because Donald Trump doesn't expect people to point out that he and his kids don't actually make their products in America.

Agreed. That blog post is pretty dumb.

How is Trump's hypocritical behavior anything other than predictable and just as predictably, politically damaging?
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
--------------------------------------------
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garbon

Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2017, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2017, 04:55:10 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2017, 04:31:40 AM
Dumber than a sack of hammers.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/16/america-week-falls-trump-reporter-asks-ivanka-trump-clothing.html
QuoteMade In America Week Falls Apart For Trump After Reporter Asks About Ivanka Trump Clothing

By Jason Easley on Sun, Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:09 pm

A White House spokesperson was touting Trump's upcoming "Made In America" week, but when a reporter asked about Ivanka Trump's made overseas clothing line, the White House clammed up and said, "We'll get back to you on that."

The report from the White House Press Pool as provided to PoliticusUSA:

Spokeswoman Helen Aguirre Ferre was asked whether the president would use "Made in America" week to push Ivanka Trump's clothing line to produce products in America, rather than overseas. "We'll get back to you on that," she said.

It impossible for a president who makes his own products overseas, and whose family businesses also make their products overseas to be taken seriously as he is supposedly promoting made in America week, unless they mean made in America for everybody but the Trumps.

Trump is setting himself up for ridicule on a daily basis. This president lacks any sense of decency and self-awareness. Made In America week is already a total disaster because Donald Trump doesn't expect people to point out that he and his kids don't actually make their products in America.

Agreed. That blog post is pretty dumb.

How is Trump's hypocritical behavior anything other than predictable and just as predictably, politically damaging?

I don't think that 1) evidence that Made in America week has fallen apart because a spokesperson said we'll get back to you, 2) nor does the time spent on that blog slagging Trump off non-specifically "Trump is setting himself up for ridicule on a daily basis. This president lacks any sense of decency and self-awareness. Made In America week is already a total disaster" do it any credit.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.