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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Zanza

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 26, 2017, 09:43:52 AM
Some point soon Trump is going to find out that the only thing more complicated then health care is the Federal tax code.  "Nobody knew" etc.  I get the GOP desire to put health care in the rear view mirror ASAP but the idea that tax reform is a layup is very dangerous.  The last successful reform took years of hard work and bipartisan consensus.  Patience, diligence, flexibility-- not qualities thick in the ground right now.
Don't they have to raise the debt ceiling sometime soon again? That would be the next battle with the Freedom Caucus.

Oexmelin

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 19, 2017, 10:21:49 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 19, 2017, 10:13:17 AM
This is a good example of why someone like Trump can get elected - American allies don't pay us enough like in the good old days....  A misconception built on a misunderstanding founded upon ignorance.

Everybody knows that on the bottom of a mutual defense treaty there are lines for the tip and total.

Well, what do you know:

Donald Trump printed out made-up £300bn Nato invoice and handed it to Angela Merkel:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-angela-merkel-nato-bill-defence-ignore-usa-germany-spending-a7650636.html
Que le grand cric me croque !

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Oexmelin on March 26, 2017, 04:35:25 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 19, 2017, 10:21:49 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 19, 2017, 10:13:17 AM
This is a good example of why someone like Trump can get elected - American allies don't pay us enough like in the good old days....  A misconception built on a misunderstanding founded upon ignorance.

Everybody knows that on the bottom of a mutual defense treaty there are lines for the tip and total.

Well, what do you know:

Donald Trump printed out made-up £300bn Nato invoice and handed it to Angela Merkel:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-angela-merkel-nato-bill-defence-ignore-usa-germany-spending-a7650636.html

:lol:  What a fucking asshole.

Obviously he didn't factor into account the "Not Killing Germans In Another World War" preventive maintenance surcharge that the Germans have been billing us.


Razgovory

I've been off the anti-psychotic for about two months now so I really got to ask, is it just me?
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grumbler

Quote from: Oexmelin on March 26, 2017, 04:35:25 PM
Well, what do you know:

Donald Trump printed out made-up £300bn Nato invoice and handed it to Angela Merkel:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-angela-merkel-nato-bill-defence-ignore-usa-germany-spending-a7650636.html

She should have gotten out five one-euro bills*, scribbled eleven zeroes on each, handed them to Trump, and said "keep the change."

*if there are any one-euro bills - if not, one five-euro bill.
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dps

Quote from: Razgovory on March 26, 2017, 05:17:05 PM
I've been off the anti-psychotic for about two months now so I really got to ask, is it just me?

Sadly, no.

Grinning_Colossus

Quote from: Razgovory on March 26, 2017, 05:17:05 PM
I've been off the anti-psychotic for about two months now so I really got to ask, is it just me?

Foucault tells us that insanity is socially constructed. You may not need it anymore.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Razgovory on March 26, 2017, 05:17:05 PM
I've been off the anti-psychotic for about two months now so I really got to ask, is it just me?

Looks like you picked the wrong time to stop

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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/26/opinions/trump-lame-duck-obeidallah-opinion/index.html?sr=fbCNN032717trump-lame-duck-obeidallah-opinion0300AMVODtopLink&linkId=35871361
QuoteIs Trump already a lame duck president?

(CNN)Donald Trump may just have achieved another first -- but this isn't one he will like. He may be on the verge of becoming the first president to be considered a "lame duck" within the first two months of his presidency.

If you define a "lame duck" president as someone who lacks the political capital to turn his ideas into policy, you might want to stick a fork in Trump because he's done -- at least for now.

In fact, what we saw Friday with Trump's healthcare failure is possibly just the tip of the lame-duck iceberg. Think about this for a moment: Trump and the Republicans for years have repeated, "Repeal and replace Obamacare," over and over to the point it was more than a mantra. It sounded like Hodor from "Game of Thrones," who was capable of only saying his own name.

Yet here's Trump just two months into his first term, failing to pass a piece of legislation that was one of the signature parts of his campaign despite his own party controlling Congress. Why? It's not a mystery.

Congressional Republicans see exactly what the rest of us see, and they will not stick their necks out politically for an unpopular President who is embroiled in scandal.

First off, Trump's approval ratings are awful. A Quinnipiac poll found on Wednesday that Trump has only a 37% approval rating. And as the poll notes, Trump's now beginning to lose support among Republicans.

Second, on Monday FBI director James Comey confirmed that US intelligence agencies are investigating possible ties between "individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government" in connection to Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 election and "hurt our democracy." Who knows at this point where this scandal might lead?

If that wasn't bad enough, a GOP civil war may be breaking out, with Trump trying to remove Paul Ryan from his role as House Speaker. On Saturday Trump tweeted, "Watch @JudgeJeanine on @FoxNews tonight at 9:00 P.M." So what bombshell did Jeanine Pirro deliver Saturday on her show? She called on Ryan to step down.

On Sunday morning Trump's chief of Staff Reince Priebus claimed Trump's tweet was a "coincidence," denying Trump wants Ryan to step down. But Trump himself has been uncharacteristically silent. And Trump-loving Breitbart.com is reporting that discussions are under way to remove Ryan.

Yes, of course, Trump has time to change things for the better. But can Trump turn things around?

Obviously other presidents have had low approval ratings like Trump's and rebounded. But none of them were being investigated by the FBI for possibly colluding with Russia while facing a possible civil war within their own political party.

And there's one other big difference. Those other presidents had terrible approval numbers because they were presiding over a bad economy. For example, Ronald Reagan's lowest approval rating was 35% in January 1982, when the economy was struggling and unemployment was at its highest levels of his presidency at 10.4%. But as the economy improved, so did Reagan's approval numbers, ultimately climbing to a high of 68% in May 1986.

Same for Bill Clinton. He had a very Trump-like 37% approval rating in June 1993 when we were in the throes of a recession. Unemployment then was over 7%, the highest of his administration. Flash forward to December 1998. Unemployment was down to 4.4% and in turn Clinton's approval rating hit 73%, his highest ever -- and that was with an impeachment threat looming.

Trump, however, inherited an economy that is in good shape. Unemployment is at only 4.7%, the stock market is breaking records and consumer confidence is at a 15-year high. Sure, wages could be higher, as could the labor participation rate, but Trump certainly isn't in the same boat as Reagan or Clinton were when they were this unpopular.

Trump should read his unpopularity as a cautionary tale, as both Clinton and Reagan lost dozens of seats in the midterm elections that took place when they had approval ratings close to where Trump's is today. In 1982, the GOP lost 26 House seats. In 1994, the Republicans took control of the House with a whopping gain of 54 seats. For context, in 2018 Democrats only need to win 24 seats to regain the House.

Technically, Trump could turn things around, but I doubt he will. Why? Simple. Trump told Time magazinethis week that he has no plans to change, boasting that he follows his instincts and they are usually right. Trump then added in typical Trump fashion, "I guess I can't be doing so badly, because I'm President, and you're not."

Trump is correct, he is the President. But here's what Trump left out: He's a rare, orange-feathered lame duck President whose most significant achievement may turn out to be his unintentional rebuilding of the Democratic Party.


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FunkMonk

While Donald is a political novice and idiot, I don't think it is wise to underestimate the President of the United States :hmm:
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garbon

Quote from: FunkMonk on March 27, 2017, 08:19:53 AM
While Donald is a political novice and idiot, I don't think it is wise to underestimate the President of the United States :hmm:

What about misunderestimate?
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