What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

Versailles was a stab in the front.

[Jacob]

Versailles was a stab in the front.

Yeah, I don't think the SITB legend promulgators expected the victorious allies to be particularly nice.

[Razgovory]

It was gentle compared to what Germany got after WW2.

[Barrister]

It was gentle compared to what Germany got after WW2.

You mean those billions of dollars of Marshall Plan aid?

After WWII the Allies specifically took a different path from Versailles.  There were no reparations (although Germany eventually volunteered to give Israel a bunch of money), and instead the US gave a lot of aid to rebuild the country.

[derspiess]

Eastern part kinda didn't fare so well.

[viper37]

It was gentle compared to what Germany got after WW2.

You mean those billions of dollars of Marshall Plan aid?

the split.

[CountDeMoney]

Maybe next time, don't listen to Monty.

[Razgovory]

It was gentle compared to what Germany got after WW2.

You mean those billions of dollars of Marshall Plan aid?

After WWII the Allies specifically took a different path from Versailles.  There were no reparations (although Germany eventually volunteered to give Israel a bunch of money), and instead the US gave a lot of aid to rebuild the country.

There were reparations.

[crazy canuck]

If . .  we now take the long jump to the contemporary right wing, we find some rather important differences from the nineteenth-century movements. The spokesmen of those earlier movements felt that they stood for causes and personal types that were still in possession of their country—that they were fending off threats to a still established way of life. But the modern right wing, as Daniel Bell has put it, feels dispossessed: America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by [socialistic] schemers; the old national security and independence have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high.

Important changes may also be traced to the effects of the mass media. The villains of the modern right are much more vivid than those of their paranoid predecessors, much better known to the public; the literature of the paranoid style is by the same token richer and more circumstantial in personal description and personal invective. For the vaguely delineated villains of the anti-Masons, for the obscure and disguised Jesuit agents, the little-known papal delegates of the anti-Catholics, for the shadowy international bankers of the monetary conspiracies, we may now substitute eminent public figures  . . .

Events . . .have given the contemporary right-wing paranoid a vast theatre for his imagination, full of rich and proliferating detail, replete with realistic cues and undeniable proofs of the validity of his suspicions . . . the real mystery, for one who reads the primary works of paranoid scholarship, is not how the United States has been brought to its present dangerous position but how it has managed to survive at all.

The basic elements of contemporary right-wing thought can be reduced to three: First, there has been the now-familiar sustained conspiracy. . .. to undermine free capitalism, to bring the economy under the direction of the federal government, and to pave the way for socialism

The second contention is that top government officialdom has been so infiltrated . . . that American policy . . . has been dominated by men who were shrewdly and consistently selling out American national interests.

Finally. . . the whole apparatus of education, religion, the press, and the mass media is engaged in a common effort to paralyze the resistance of loyal Americans.

Same nonsense, different millennium, except this time the right wing paranoid in chief got elected as president.

[Barrister]

It was gentle compared to what Germany got after WW2.

You mean those billions of dollars of Marshall Plan aid?

After WWII the Allies specifically took a different path from Versailles.  There were no reparations (although Germany eventually volunteered to give Israel a bunch of money), and instead the US gave a lot of aid to rebuild the country.

There were reparations.

*quickly googles*

To Israel, as mentioned.  To Greece.  Some really minor amounts to Yugoslavia.  And nothing at all to the victorious allies.

Yeah, I stand by my statements.

[Razgovory]

And I stand by mine.  The biggest reparation was forced labor in the Soviet Union.  Something like a million German POWs died in forced labor.  They didn't get to come home till the 1950's.  All in all, the costs of losing WW2 were much higher than the costs of losing WW1.

[Barrister]

And I stand by mine.  The biggest reparation was forced labor in the Soviet Union.  Something like a million German POWs died in forced labor.  They didn't get to come home till the 1950's.  All in all, the costs of losing WW2 were much higher than the costs of losing WW1.

But that's all USSR / East Germany.

[The Brain]

It was gentle compared to what Germany got after WW2.

Very much so. I don't know what BB is smoking.

Massive loss of territory in the east.
Splitting the country in two.
One part forced to live under Soviet-dominated Communism.
Tens of thousands of people put in concentration camps.
Etc.

[Eddie Teach]

It was gentle compared to what Germany got after WW2.

Tens of thousands of people put in concentration camps.
Etc.

Thousands? Amateurs.

[Razgovory]

And I stand by mine.  The biggest reparation was forced labor in the Soviet Union.  Something like a million German POWs died in forced labor.  They didn't get to come home till the 1950's.  All in all, the costs of losing WW2 were much higher than the costs of losing WW1.

But that's all USSR / East Germany.

And?