What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[The Minsky Moment]

But that case, if I understand correctly, was limited to denying funds appropriated by legislative act based on terms *within* that legislative act, and even THEN it was decided on narrow grounds.

Correct.  What Trump is trying to do here is really brazen.

But this is the same guy who proposes selectively seizing or blocking otherwise lawful money transfers in order to coerce a foreign government to fund an American infrastructure program.  His respect for rule of law is nil.

[Barrister]

Santa Anna at various times overlapped with Van Buren, Tyler, and Pierce.  Don't know who led Canada back then but they would have to be truly awesome to counteract that.

There was no united Canada back then - just British North America.

[garbon]

You are the richest and most technologically advanced country in the history of mankind. Lesser countries were able to introduce ID schemes. What you lack is a will to reasonable governance, not capability.

Or the US lacks the will to unreasonable governance, depending on how important you think it is that the state be able to deny services to anyone who cannot prove themselves entitled to it.

The US has few government services where the distinction between citizens and non-citizens is important, so few in the US believe that the 'show me your papers' approach to government services is worthwhile. YMMD, but you are arrogant to assume that your country's system is the only one that represents "reasonable governance."

The context this came up in was disenfranchisment due to voter suppression based on lack of ID. I do in face believe that the only reasonable governance in a democracy is to make participation in election as easy and as general as possible and if issuing an ID is the way to do it, then yes, I find that there is only one reasonable governance option. You may call that arrogant, but I stand by it. It's not really about my country, but rather how I see democractic countries in general though.

Well, it would actually make it harder to vote given that we don't have an ID law now. So it would be added a hurdle.

[viper37]

I'll back up Oex that american exceptionalism is still a thing.

Yes, but it's a bipartisan thing.  I'm not clear on what Oex is on about.

The article linked said 91% of the Republicans shared this view vs 73% in overall America.  It's a tad more of a Republican thing than equally by-partisan.

[The Minsky Moment]

So your narrative is that all the fruitcake mayors and city councils of left coast cities issued these orders out of hard-headed cost benefit considerations? 

I wouldn't call Rahm - who is directly in the firing line on this - a fruitcake left coast mayor. 
An bunch of counties in Iowa don't honor ICE detainers in the absence of a court order - I assume they are neither coastal nor fruicakey.

It's definitely true that activists push the "sanctuary" concept and mayors in strong left leaning cities are happy to invoke that rhetoric.  But the practices are far more widespread than SF and the People's Republic of Berkeley.

[Valmy]

So your narrative is that all the fruitcake mayors and city councils of left coast cities issued these orders out of hard-headed cost benefit considerations? 

Why not both? It sure is convenient when your money saving measure is also politically popular. Win-win.

Read the other day that 10% of California's work force is illegal.

Which just shows how divorced from reality the immigration laws are. If they were enforced as written the economy of a very fast growing region in the country would be hamstrung.

I wonder what percentage Texas' is.

[viper37]

I got my passport in 8 days.

You must have paid for expediting.

It may have been more difficult for us because of the name changes, Max's citizenship paperwork, etc. Additionally, for the kids, we had to have additionally paperwork from their father. It wasn't a simple "take a picture and pay the money" situation.

Everything is nightmarish when it comes to you Meri, you should know by now

Yeah, getting a passport is a simple thing for an American (or Canadian) born in his/her country with no name change and living as a couple with their children.  Any deviation from the norm in any country will cause delays.

My grandfather discovered very late in his life, afaik, when he asked for a passport, that his real name by which he was baptized was "Edgar" and not "Oscar".  They had some troubles proving his real name by which he went all his life.

[viper37]

Which cities, specifically, are we talking about and which programs are being...um....frozen or whatever?

New York has been threatened explicitely.

[viper37]

I presume he means illegal immigrants right?

that wasn't specified.

[viper37]

Negative feelings about the US bring Canadians together

it goes beyond border, all the world is united by their negative feelings toward the US

I used to like your country.  Planned to take some vacation there sometime in the near future.  Now, I'm looking at alternatives.

[celedhring]

it goes beyond border, all the world is united by their negative feelings toward the US

Or the French.

[viper37]

What does that even mean? So if Columbus is a sanctuary city Ohio State would have all its research grants pulled?

appears that way from trump's language. who's to say whether he actually means that and didn't use overly broad language. I don't think he put much thought into his (iirc) tweet(?)

It's a 7 page executive order, not a tweet.  Someone put some thought into it.  Admittedly probably not Trump.  One guess would be Bannon, which makes it more worrisome not less.

I wonder who they will consider immigrants.  After how many generations does one become American according to this Bannon-Trump administration?  Is it only crimes for those without a US citizenship or does it include people of Serbian or Russian origins born in the US?

[viper37]

Probably for the best. Nieto meeting Trump would have been a comedy of errors.

Holy shit. Nieto, Trudeau, and Trump. Has there ever been a worse threesome running North America?

I don't know enough about Mexico...

[Razgovory]

I'll back up Oex that american exceptionalism is still a thing.

Yes, but it's a bipartisan thing.  I'm not clear on what Oex is on about.

The article linked said 91% of the Republicans shared this view vs 73% in overall America.  It's a tad more of a Republican thing than equally by-partisan.

Yes, a tad.  Looks like it's an overwhelmingly overall American thing.

[Grey Fox]

What does that even mean? So if Columbus is a sanctuary city Ohio State would have all its research grants pulled?

appears that way from trump's language. who's to say whether he actually means that and didn't use overly broad language. I don't think he put much thought into his (iirc) tweet(?)

It's a 7 page executive order, not a tweet.  Someone put some thought into it.  Admittedly probably not Trump.  One guess would be Bannon, which makes it more worrisome not less.

I wonder who they will consider immigrants.  After how many generations does one become American according to this Bannon-Trump administration?  Is it only crimes for those without a US citizenship or does it include people of Serbian or Russian origins born in the US?

Not sure but you have to be Christian. Maybe Jewish if Bannon is not 100% incharge.